[Leica] Trade in my M9? (RICHARD MAN)

Mon Dec 8 06:31:59 PST 2014

For what it is worth, I think that when you upgrade to a camera with a more
competent sensor your ratio of images gone bad might actually increase,
because you'll become more daring in the opportunities taken.

That has certainly been the situation for me over the past few years.

It happened when I found really good Fuji 1600 film (although I had to
import it myself from Japan,) it gave me opportunities that I did not have
before, and I took them.

It happened with the M7, the M8, the M9 and now with the A7s.

I take more chances now than ever before, and I marvel that if I can see
it, i can shoot it.  Really.

;-)

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 2:30 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Nothing wrong with saying whether you think the upgrade is worthwhile if
> that is what you want.
> What I did was say these are the improvements that were worthwhile for ME.
> Just facts and no opinion on whether the change is worthwhile for Leland.
> Not for you and not for Nathan, that is fine.
> I'm not an enabler. I can provide facts and I know my Leica gear which I
> use a lot. The importance and priorities are entirely what each of us
> choose.
>
>
> Cheers
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>
> On 8 December 2014 at 17:01, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Geoff, I am just "throwing cold water." I can be an enabler too, but I
> > suspect when people ask that kind of question, their mind is made up
> > already so cold water has no effect anyway :-)
> >
> > As for 10%, just a number I made up, but honestly, I am talking the # of
> > "keeper images" and if someone says a M240 improves their keepers by more
> > than 10% from an M9, I would like to see that :-)
> >
> > What you quoted are technical mumbo-jumbo, which does not make better
> > images, may be except as psychological "wow, I now have the M240, I must
> > make good images!"
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Ted here is the KISS summary.
> > > Yep content is everything. Both cameras can make great or cr*p photos.
> > > It is a better Leica than the one it replaced.
> > > Whether the differences matter for an individual is up to them.
> > >
> > > Richard I get your basic theme, but
> > > I'm not sure how you measured that there is a 10% difference in the
> > images
> > > though!
> > > !0% faster , brighter, sharper, less calories, what???!!!
> > >
> > > For fun here are some other percentages for you ;-)
> > > It is 50% faster, 33% higher pixel count, 100% better noise
> performance.
> > > Quieter, better built, better RF you will have to run your own numbers
> > ;-)
> > > I have no idea on current used prices for the M9 there. I understand
> that
> > > there are discounts from US Dealers currently.
> > > The M is available for maybe $1000 at least less here than say 12
> months
> > > ago and is much cheaper than the Monochrom for example..
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Geoff
> > > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> > >
> > > On 8 December 2014 at 15:28, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yes, let he images speak for themselves :-)
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Ted Grant <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Richard,
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's what "I MISS THE MOST FROM THOSE GREAT OLD DAYS!"
> > > > >
> > > > > "KISS!" We took photos, made nice prints and it was all about
> "LEICA
> > > > > CAMERAS!" GOOD, BAD, OR UGLY? Rarely the last two as we were all
> > Leica
> > > > > photographers and not the mixture of almost every crappy over
> techie
> > > > gizmo
> > > > > referred to as a :Super whiz-bang camera machine of today? That one
> > > must
> > > > > nearly be a graduate of MIT to understand what the hell all the
> > > > > indescribable words mean?"
> > > > >
> > > > > In the good old days it was 99.9% about the QUALITY OF THE "WET
> TRAY
> > > > > print!"
> > > > > Or the most important??????????
> > > > >
> > > > > "THE CONTENT WITHIN THE BORDERLINES!"
> > > > >
> > > > > It doesn't get much more KISS than that?
> > > > > That's what I miss most!
> > > > >
> > > > > cheers,
> > > > > ted
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On
> > > > Behalf
> > > > > Of
> > > > > Richard Man
> > > > > Sent: December-07-14 5:53 PM
> > > > > To: Leica Users Group
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Trade in my M9?
> > > > >
> > > > > I miss the "good ol' days" when people argue about the smoothness
> of
> > > the
> > > > > brass ratchet vs. the cheap metal used in M6 etc. :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Or how some Leica M-film is 1 mm higher than the other models and
> how
> > > > that
> > > > > ruins the experience.
> > > > >
> > > > > OK, no, I do not miss those days.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Richard Man <
> > > richard at richardmanphoto.com
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Did you read my 10% reply to Sue? Basically, at best, the M240
> may
> > > get
> > > > > you
> > > > > > 10% better photos. How many photos are you happy with now? Lets
> see
> > > > it's
> > > > > 10
> > > > > > out of 100. With the M240, you get... 11 photos.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is it worth it to sell the M9 for $4000-$4500 and gte an M240 for
> > > that
> > > > > > extra photo? You shall be the judge.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But there is nothing against people wanting the next best thing,
> > > so....
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Leland Deane <lmdmd at att.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> OK, so I'm a fairly happy M9 guy (see attached) and it's done
> well
> > > by
> > > > me
> > > > > >> but M9's are doing well on the used market and I have considered
> > > > trading
> > > > > >> in/selling to get the M240. So....I need the honest and august
> > > > opinions
> > > > > of
> > > > > >> this great group to tell me if I'm crazy. I am all about the
> > sensor
> > > > > quality
> > > > > >> and do not in particular need 'live view' (have that on my Canon
> > 5D
> > > > mark
> > > > > >> III) or video capabilities. For those of you with both or who
> have
> > > had
> > > > > >> both, please give me your impressions of one vs. the other.
> > > > > >> Much appreciated.
> > > > > >> Recent photo of my kids attached---lightly processed in CC (view
> > > > large)
> > > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > > >> Leland
> > > > > >>
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
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