[Leica] Trade in my M9? (RICHARD MAN)

Sun Dec 7 23:01:24 PST 2014

Hi Geoff, I am just "throwing cold water." I can be an enabler too, but I
suspect when people ask that kind of question, their mind is made up
already so cold water has no effect anyway :-)

As for 10%, just a number I made up, but honestly, I am talking the # of
"keeper images" and if someone says a M240 improves their keepers by more
than 10% from an M9, I would like to see that :-)

What you quoted are technical mumbo-jumbo, which does not make better
images, may be except as psychological "wow, I now have the M240, I must
make good images!"

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ted here is the KISS summary.
> Yep content is everything. Both cameras can make great or cr*p photos.
> It is a better Leica than the one it replaced.
> Whether the differences matter for an individual is up to them.
>
> Richard I get your basic theme, but
> I'm not sure how you measured that there is a 10% difference in the images
> though!
> !0% faster , brighter, sharper, less calories, what???!!!
>
> For fun here are some other percentages for you ;-)
> It is 50% faster, 33% higher pixel count, 100% better noise performance.
> Quieter, better built, better RF you will have to run your own numbers ;-)
> I have no idea on current used prices for the M9 there. I understand that
> there are discounts from US Dealers currently.
> The M is available for maybe $1000 at least less here than say 12 months
> ago and is much cheaper than the Monochrom for example..
>
>
> Cheers
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>
> On 8 December 2014 at 15:28, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, let he images speak for themselves :-)
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Ted Grant <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Richard,
> > >
> > > Here's what "I MISS THE MOST FROM THOSE GREAT OLD DAYS!"
> > >
> > > "KISS!" We took photos, made nice prints and it was all about "LEICA
> > > CAMERAS!" GOOD, BAD, OR UGLY? Rarely the last two as we were all Leica
> > > photographers and not the mixture of almost every crappy over techie
> > gizmo
> > > referred to as a :Super whiz-bang camera machine of today? That one
> must
> > > nearly be a graduate of MIT to understand what the hell all the
> > > indescribable words mean?"
> > >
> > > In the good old days it was 99.9% about the QUALITY OF THE "WET TRAY
> > > print!"
> > > Or the most important??????????
> > >
> > > "THE CONTENT WITHIN THE BORDERLINES!"
> > >
> > > It doesn't get much more KISS than that?
> > > That's what I miss most!
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > > ted
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of
> > > Richard Man
> > > Sent: December-07-14 5:53 PM
> > > To: Leica Users Group
> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Trade in my M9?
> > >
> > > I miss the "good ol' days" when people argue about the smoothness of
> the
> > > brass ratchet vs. the cheap metal used in M6 etc. :-)
> > >
> > > Or how some Leica M-film is 1 mm higher than the other models and how
> > that
> > > ruins the experience.
> > >
> > > OK, no, I do not miss those days.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Richard Man <
> richard at richardmanphoto.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Did you read my 10% reply to Sue? Basically, at best, the M240 may
> get
> > > you
> > > > 10% better photos. How many photos are you happy with now? Lets see
> > it's
> > > 10
> > > > out of 100. With the M240, you get... 11 photos.
> > > >
> > > > Is it worth it to sell the M9 for $4000-$4500 and gte an M240 for
> that
> > > > extra photo? You shall be the judge.
> > > >
> > > > But there is nothing against people wanting the next best thing,
> so....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Leland Deane <lmdmd at att.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> OK, so I'm a fairly happy M9 guy (see attached) and it's done well
> by
> > me
> > > >> but M9's are doing well on the used market and I have considered
> > trading
> > > >> in/selling to get the M240. So....I need the honest and august
> > opinions
> > > of
> > > >> this great group to tell me if I'm crazy. I am all about the sensor
> > > quality
> > > >> and do not in particular need 'live view' (have that on my Canon 5D
> > mark
> > > >> III) or video capabilities. For those of you with both or who have
> had
> > > >> both, please give me your impressions of one vs. the other.
> > > >> Much appreciated.
> > > >> Recent photo of my kids attached---lightly processed in CC (view
> > large)
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >> Leland
> > > >>
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