[Leica] [OM] And now a Lightroom question

Mark Rabiner mark at rabinergroup.com
Tue Dec 2 20:20:26 PST 2014 

The Adobe people I'm very found of. They don't fool around. They don't waste
time. They are working to make their stuff better. Any adobe upgrade is a
big deal and a big day. Till I got on the internet I never heard anybody say
"is this new upgrade worth it?".


On 12/2/14 10:55 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:

> The combo of LR for asset management (keeping your photos organized and
> ranked/sortable) and initial raw processing, and Photoshop for refined
> development is, IMO, unbeatable. 
Now that you can create an ACR layer in
> Photoshop, LR may be only needed for organizing. 

For many, LR is good enough
> and upgrades are considered unnecessary: I envy. For me each LR major upgrade
> offers better raw processing and refined raw adjustments. I see the
> differences and they do make a difference. The once every three year Photoshop
> upgrades were expensive. The subscription service is about equal cost in the
> long run if the price doesn't change too much. The benefits of getting
> upgrades to both for $10/mo are well worth it to me!

Ymmv

Sent from my
> iPad

> On Dec 2, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> wrote:
> 
> It was a huge shock when digital hit because I felt very good
> about being a
> master of my darkroom and my otherwise materials. All of a
> sudden I knew
> NOTHING. How was I going to darken/burn a sky and
> lighten/dodge a face? . a
> It took me a few years to figure it out. Part of
> it was the upgrading of
> Photoshop so that masks and layers were their or
> better.
> 
> Photoshop has always been the main digital darkroom for me and
> most people I
> knew.  We were all in it in the very beginning I don't think
> many of us
> switched to Lightroom.  I understand nowadays many very
> respectable people
> are getting by with the controls of Lightroom.
> I've
> been using Photoshop since 1992 I see its right around the time of the
> first
> LUG Post. The starting of the LUG 22.5 years ago. Photoshop had been
> out two
> years.
> Today was the anniversary of my first lug post 12/2/1998 so its been
> sixteen
> years of bliss. I've learned a lot from the people on the LUG. At
> LHSA
> meeting people come up to me and tell me they read my posts out loud at
> the
> dinner table to their family. This makes me feel great as I never
> could
> write and I never knew anything intensively to write about.
> 
> 
> 
>
> 
> 
>> On 12/2/14 8:31 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
> 
>> And if you want you can actually create Smart Previews of your images
> and
>> edit them anywhere , on your laptop while travelling for example even
> if
>> never on-line and synchronise the edits later.
>> With both programs you
> can have copies on main computer and laptop
>> concurrently and synchronise
> anything, including setting s and pre-sets as
>> well as image edits all of
> the time.
>> I guess it comes down to how you use the programs and your needs
> and wants
>> too. For many photographer LR on its own is all they need. That
> is what it
>> is for, after all.
>> 
>> For me I use both programs together
> all of the time. I am in midst of
>> re-editng some 1700 frames or so from
> previous projects with one model.
>> Lightroom means I can find everything and
> filter to a very advanced level.
>> cropping, WB, exposure, contrast, colour
> profiling, sharpness local and
>> global, it is all there. Actually for some
> work with fashion or beauty for
>> example LR has some wonderful tools that
> are very quick precise  (Yay for
>> automasking for local adjustments for
> one!!) then from within LR I can pop
>> into PS where I want to use some
> particular tools, say for sculpting or
>> anything with layers/masks,
> precision spotting better than you can do with
>> any healing, content are
> anything etc etc, and then the image is there in
>> LR with all of those
> adjustments for exporting for web , print whatever.
>> 
>> This is for sure
> enthusiast level use of the programs of course and as I
>> mention for many
> they have no need...until you discover what you can do!
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>>
> Geoff
>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>> 
>>> On 3 December 2014 at 09:47,
> Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The only connection that
> Photoshop CC has to the cloud is that it connects
>>> occasionally to confirm
> your subscription and to download upgrades.  It is
>>> not connected all the
> time.  You do not have to have a connection to the
>>> internet to use it.
> Nothing is stored on the cloud unless you request it
>>> to be.  All of my
> files are stored on my external hard drives.  The program
>>> resides in my
> computer, just like Photoshop 1,2,3,4,5,6, etc.  I cannot
>>> understand the
> reluctance to upgrade to this most efficient and productive
>>> version of
> PS.
>>> 
>>> Tina
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Lluis Ripoll <
>>>
> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Just to add my 5 cents to
> this topic, I'm not in the Cloud, I use LR5 for
>>>> the scanned negatives
> only, my usual software is Capture One 8Pro, I'm
>>> used
>>>> to it and very
> happy.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Lluis
>>>> 
>>>>> El 03/12/2014, a las 00:39,
> Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> escribió:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, I have the same
> knife. Love Wusthof knives!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tina
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 2,
> 2014 at 6:38 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
> 
>>>>>> Me too!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Though I always slice my own bread... With a
> Wüsthof 23 cm bread knife
>>>> from
>>>>>> sunny Germany. Goes through bread
> like butter!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 12/2/14 3:18 PM, "Tina Manley"
> <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think Photoshop CC is the best
> thing since sliced bread!  I
>>>> subscribed
>>>>>>> immediately and don't
> regret it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tina
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:15
> PM, Geoff Hopkinson <
>>> hopsternew at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
> 
>>>>>>>> Eh? You can use or not use any early version or the latest of
>>>>
> Lightroom
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> which you have a perpetual licence for as long
> as you want under the
>>>>>>>> licence conditions that have applied from the
> very first.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> There is no obligation to move to the
> subscription model for
>>>> Lightroom.
>>>>>>>> If you use both Lightroom and
> Photoshop in working with your images
>>>> then
>>>>>>>> you can get that
> bundle if you want. Basically a 12 month commitment
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
> start.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For me, that deal is excellent value. So much so
> that I don't even
>>> use
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> couple of perpetual licence
> models I have of both Lightroom and
>>>>>> Photoshop.
>>>>>>>> I really like
> the integration and the immediate availability of the
>>>> new
>>>>>>>>
> features
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Obviously how much you use the programs will
> influence their value
>>> to
>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>> Or if you consider Adobe
> (and Microsoft I suppose) as devils
>>> incarnate
>>>>>>>> determined to feast
> on your soul!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>>>
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 2 December 2014 at 21:00,
> Douglas Barry <imra at iol.ie> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> My copy of LR is 1.1
> or something and my version of PSE is 4, but
>>> my
>>>>>> old
>>>>>>>>> Dell
> pc is 2005, and works too. I'm upgrading the pc when I move
>>>>
> house
>>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>>>> couple of weeks, but at 10 dollars a month and
> initial costs, it
>>>> looks
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> a future haemorrhage of
> money from me to Adobe for little real
>>>> benefit.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>
> Douglas
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff
> Hopkinson" <
>>>>>>>> hopsternew at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group"
> <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 10:24
> AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] [OM] And now a Lightroom question
>>>>>>>>>
> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You can continue with the perpetual licence
> arrangement as always
>>> if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> wish.
>>>>>>>>>> Note that
> the current version is 5.7.
>>>>>>>>>> As has been the case the point updates
> are free. Once LR6 arrives,
>>>>>>>>>> whenever
>>>>>>>>>> it does, you will
> need to pay for the upgrade. Of course if you
>>> buy
>>>>>>>>>> something
> Leica new they will include a copy ;-) ;-)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Here the
> subscription model with Photoshop CC here costs annually
>>>>>> $10,
> a
>>>>>>>>>> new copy $175 and an upgrade $100.
>>>>>>>>>> Those are very
> compelling numbers for me even without Photoshop
>>> but
>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>
> haven't convinced you have I Nathan? ;-) ;-)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>
> 
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>>>>>
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 2 December 2014 at
> 18:11, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu
>>>> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to all who responded. It is clear that I need to upgrade
> to
>>>>>> LR5,
>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>> I will bite the bullet and do so. As
> long as I am not forced in
>>>>>> Adobe's
>>>>>>>>>>> cloud service, it is
> OK.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>>>>>>>
> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Alicante,
> Spain
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>>>>>>>>>>
> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>>>>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK:
> http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>>>>>>>>>> Blog:
> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Cycling:
> http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>
> YNWA
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>
> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>
> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 02 Dec 2014, at 07:26, Nathan
> Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I just
> discovered that my Lightroom 4.4 does not recognise the
>>>> Fuji
>>>>>>>
> 
>>>>>>>>>>> XT-1
>>>>>>>>>>> files. Poking around Adobe's sites I see no
> upgrade that would
>>> let
>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>>>>>> those files
> directly into LR. So I am right now converting to DNG
>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>
> their converter and will then import those.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are my
> choices really limited to using this clunky 2-step
>>> process
>>>>>>
> and
>>>>>>>>>>> upgrading to LR5, something which I otherwise have no reason
> to
>>> do?
>>>>>>>> (and
>>>>>>>>>>> no, I am not interested in other RAW
> converters or in shooting
>>>> JPG).
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nathan
> Wajsman
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog:
> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cycling:
> http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator
>>>>>>>>>>>> YNWA
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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