[Leica] [OM] And now a Lightroom question

Mark Rabiner mark at rabinergroup.com
Tue Dec 2 18:57:14 PST 2014 

Nothing beats the feeling of feeling that you know what you are doing and
you are in controll of your materials. A few people on the LUG are in that
position. I think its a minority. Consistently we hear a lot of complaining
about having to maintain software and I wonder if its because they very
reluctantly use their software on a very limited basis. Its not really been
incorporated into their workflo.  Its way more fun to be using it and doing
it and be producing images that you are in controll of. It makes having our
interesting choices of photo gear way more fun. Because you know you are
using the stuff like its meant to be used and fully understand what it can
do for you. without the software later you really don't know. You don't have
a complete workflo so you're not really doing any controlled work.
So when you say "this camera isn't good enough I need a better one" you can
say it with authority and not be guessing and BS'ing and just wanting a new
toy.



On 12/2/14 8:31 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:

> And if you want you can actually create Smart Previews of your images and
> edit them anywhere , on your laptop while travelling for example even if
> never on-line and synchronise the edits later.
> With both programs you can have copies on main computer and laptop
> concurrently and synchronise anything, including setting s and pre-sets as
> well as image edits all of the time.
> I guess it comes down to how you use the programs and your needs and wants
> too. For many photographer LR on its own is all they need. That is what it
> is for, after all.
> 
> For me I use both programs together all of the time. I am in midst of
> re-editng some 1700 frames or so from previous projects with one model.
> Lightroom means I can find everything and filter to a very advanced level.
> cropping, WB, exposure, contrast, colour profiling, sharpness local and
> global, it is all there. Actually for some work with fashion or beauty for
> example LR has some wonderful tools that are very quick precise  (Yay for
> automasking for local adjustments for one!!) then from within LR I can pop
> into PS where I want to use some particular tools, say for sculpting or
> anything with layers/masks, precision spotting better than you can do with
> any healing, content are anything etc etc, and then the image is there in
> LR with all of those adjustments for exporting for web , print whatever.
> 
> This is for sure enthusiast level use of the programs of course and as I
> mention for many they have no need...until you discover what you can do!
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> 
> On 3 December 2014 at 09:47, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> The only connection that Photoshop CC has to the cloud is that it connects
>> occasionally to confirm your subscription and to download upgrades.  It is
>> not connected all the time.  You do not have to have a connection to the
>> internet to use it.  Nothing is stored on the cloud unless you request it
>> to be.  All of my files are stored on my external hard drives.  The program
>> resides in my computer, just like Photoshop 1,2,3,4,5,6, etc.  I cannot
>> understand the reluctance to upgrade to this most efficient and productive
>> version of PS.
>> 
>> Tina
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Lluis Ripoll <
>> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Just to add my 5 cents to this topic, I'm not in the Cloud, I use LR5 for
>>> the scanned negatives only, my usual software is Capture One 8Pro, I'm
>> used
>>> to it and very happy.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Lluis
>>> 
>>> El 03/12/2014, a las 00:39, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> escribió:
>>> 
>>>> Yes, I have the same knife. Love Wusthof knives!!
>>>> 
>>>> Tina
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Me too!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Though I always slice my own bread... With a Wüsthof 23 cm bread knife
>>> from
>>>>> sunny Germany. Goes through bread like butter!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/2/14 3:18 PM, "Tina Manley" <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think Photoshop CC is the best thing since sliced bread!  I
>>> subscribed
>>>>>> immediately and don't regret it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tina
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <
>> hopsternew at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Eh? You can use or not use any early version or the latest of
>>> Lightroom
>>>>> for
>>>>>>> which you have a perpetual licence for as long as you want under the
>>>>>>> licence conditions that have applied from the very first.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There is no obligation to move to the subscription model for
>>> Lightroom.
>>>>>>> If you use both Lightroom and Photoshop in working with your images
>>> then
>>>>>>> you can get that bundle if you want. Basically a 12 month commitment
>>> to
>>>>>>> start.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For me, that deal is excellent value. So much so that I don't even
>> use
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> couple of perpetual licence models I have of both Lightroom and
>>>>> Photoshop.
>>>>>>> I really like the integration and the immediate availability of the
>>> new
>>>>>>> features
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Obviously how much you use the programs will influence their value
>> to
>>>>> you.
>>>>>>> Or if you consider Adobe (and Microsoft I suppose) as devils
>> incarnate
>>>>>>> determined to feast on your soul!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2 December 2014 at 21:00, Douglas Barry <imra at iol.ie> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> My copy of LR is 1.1 or something and my version of PSE is 4, but
>> my
>>>>> old
>>>>>>>> Dell pc is 2005, and works too. I'm upgrading the pc when I move
>>> house
>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>>> couple of weeks, but at 10 dollars a month and initial costs, it
>>> looks
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> a future haemorrhage of money from me to Adobe for little real
>>> benefit.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Douglas
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Hopkinson" <
>>>>>>> hopsternew at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 10:24 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] [OM] And now a Lightroom question
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You can continue with the perpetual licence arrangement as always
>> if
>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> wish.
>>>>>>>>> Note that the current version is 5.7.
>>>>>>>>> As has been the case the point updates are free. Once LR6 arrives,
>>>>>>>>> whenever
>>>>>>>>> it does, you will need to pay for the upgrade. Of course if you
>> buy
>>>>>>>>> something Leica new they will include a copy ;-) ;-)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Here the subscription model with Photoshop CC here costs annually
>>>>> $10, a
>>>>>>>>> new copy $175 and an upgrade $100.
>>>>>>>>> Those are very compelling numbers for me even without Photoshop
>> but
>>> I
>>>>>>>>> haven't convinced you have I Nathan? ;-) ;-)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 2 December 2014 at 18:11, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu
>>> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks to all who responded. It is clear that I need to upgrade to
>>>>> LR5,
>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>> I will bite the bullet and do so. As long as I am not forced in
>>>>> Adobe's
>>>>>>>>>> cloud service, it is OK.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>>>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> YNWA
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 02 Dec 2014, at 07:26, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I just discovered that my Lightroom 4.4 does not recognise the
>>> Fuji
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> XT-1
>>>>>>>>>> files. Poking around Adobe's sites I see no upgrade that would
>> let
>>> me
>>>>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>>>>> those files directly into LR. So I am right now converting to DNG
>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>> their converter and will then import those.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Are my choices really limited to using this clunky 2-step
>> process
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> upgrading to LR5, something which I otherwise have no reason to
>> do?
>>>>>>> (and
>>>>>>>>>> no, I am not interested in other RAW converters or in shooting
>>> JPG).
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>>>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>>>>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator
>>>>>>>>>>> YNWA
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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