[Leica] LUG & Blurb question

Steve Barbour steve.barbour at gmail.com
Sat Nov 29 18:23:48 PST 2014 

Of course I see and bravo to you Tina...

Sent from my iPhone
Steve Barbour

On Nov 29, 2014, at 6:15 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:

Steve, Tina certainly will be contributing for this yearbook too, we've
already been in contact and she is writing some editorial for me as well.
She would have meant there that she has never EDITED the book.
I'm confident that lots of active people who have yet to send in their
contributions will be doing so during the next couple of weeks.

I am also happy to continue answering any questions on and off list that
may assist people to be part of this year's edition.


Cheers
Geoff
http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman

> On 30 November 2014 at 12:10, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
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> Sent from my iPhone
> Steve Barbour
> 
> On Nov 29, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Tmanley <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I hope not. :-(  I would hope that the appreciation would trump the
> aggravation. I've never done the LUG book
> 
> Forgive me for asking Tina please, but we see so many of your images, why
> have you chosen not to contribute to the LUG book?
> 
> steve
> 
> 
> but I have done many non-profit fund-raising projects and that has usually
> been true.  The aggravation can be overwhelming but it ALWAYS turns out to
> be worth it.
> 
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Jim Shulman <jshulman at judgecrater.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I stand corrected (and should have checked all eight editions)--you were
>> indeed in '06 and '07.
>> 
>> However, you've just given a superb reason why I had no further interest
>> in producing the yearbook.  I was sick of your garbage, and similar
>> diatribes from non-contributors (at least within the 2010s).
>> 
>> Prattle on!  You have every right to do so.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org]
> On
>> Behalf Of Mark Rabiner
>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 6:59 PM
>> To: Leica Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG & Blurb question
>> 
>> I was in the first two issues, Ted. Two pix each all taken with Leica
>> cameras. All taken the same year they were published.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/29/14 6:57 PM, "Ted Grant" <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>> AND FROM THE DARKENED HALLS OF THE PAST.................. A MAJOR
>>> BITE!!!!!!! And the quiet was deafening!
>>> 
>>> cheers,
>>> Dr.ted
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Jim Shulman
>>> Sent: November-29-14 3:26 PM
>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG & Blurb question
>>> 
>>> The way I think about it is that in order to proffer suggestions you
>>> should be a part of the yearbook.
>>> As in as a participant.
>>> 
>>> I checked the 2013 yearbook, and checked it twice.
>>> You didn't submit a thing.
>>> I checked the 2012 yearbook, and checked it twice.
>>> You didn't submit a thing.
>>> Same for 2011.  I didn't go back any further, but to the best of my
>>> knowledge the LUG yearbooks have yet to be graced by your images.
>>> 
>>> Did it ever occur to you, Mark, that you're part of the problem?
>>> Geoff and, for eight years, I received lots and lots of suggestions,
>>> gripes, requests, and relatively few entries.  I noted that the people
>>> with the greatest number of suggestions, or gripes about the
>>> admittedly elementary submission guidelines, were almost never
>> contributors.
>>> 
>>> So put up or shut up.  There's still about a half-month to submit your
>>> images.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: LUG
>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mark Rabiner
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:12 PM
>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG & Blurb question
>>> 
>>> They way I think about it is if you're going to do something why not
>>> let more than just a few people see it? I love books I'm about to hit
>>> some bookstores this afternoon made a list checking it twice but for
>>> every person who reads and looks at paper there's thousands who are
>>> getting the same words and pix as pixels.
>>> I love PDF 's. I think the guy you invented them should get the Noble
>>> Peace prize. If I'd gone to the trouble to layout a photo book such as
>>> this it would drive my crazy not being able to press the "make PDF
>> button"
>>> in the end. If you think about it the preview software which lets
>>> people peek into the book on the website has kind of done that.
>>> I think when people know ahead of time that the layout will be
>>> electronically disseminated few if any would have a problem with that.
>>> If they do let them rot in their own hells.
>>> People want to  see their book on their iPad's  and iPhones.
>>> More importantly they want to never put their iPad's and iPhones down.
>>> They want to keep staring at them.
>>> Let them.
>>> 
>>> That said I don't think the reason behind a LUG book such as this is
>>> to make money. How many extra copies did they sell does anyone know?
>>> If there really is a market for a book such as the LUG Yearbook than
>>> in electronic form I'd wager that market would be 100x.  ... To 1000x.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 11/28/14 11:15 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I did a test convert of another non-related photobook that I edited
>>>> and published an eBook version as a test. I don't have my iPad with
>>>> me to check as yet, but it looks like it should work fine on IOS
>>>> devices, not just iPads.
>>>> When you buy you get a download link in a mail to be opened on the
>>>> device where you want to download it. In other words, one download,
>>>> one
>>> device.
>>>> I shall report in when I get that test on on my (first) iPad which
>>>> went to a family meber who will like to have that particular book.
>>>> 
>>>> My intent introducing the eBook this year was to broaden the sales
>>>> while each copy (print or electronic) will generate exactly the same
>>>> markup for Jim's charity. As a glass half full approach I hope that
>>>> people will enjoy having the printed volume on their shelf to enjoy
>>>> and perhaps add an eBook to their order.
>>>> 
>>>> However, I have no connection with all eight books that Jim did with
>>>> us of course, except to be in them all.
>>>> I would note that it does require some work to convert each book and
>>>> then publish it.
>>>> Of course it is entirely up to Jim on whether this option (not always
>>>> available) is worth doing and if he wants to be pushed out of
>>>> retirement to work again on any of those eight!
>>>> For whatever my opinion is worth, I thinks it's a big ask on Jim
>>>> after eight years of a lot of work for us all.
>>>> 
>>>> Don't blame me, Jim, sorry. I hope my decision for THIS year will
>>>> mean more copies sold than we would have otherwise and more money to
>>>> your
>>> charity.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Geoff
>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>> 
>>>>> On 29 November 2014 at 13:12, Jay Burleson <leica at jayburleson.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Looking at a post today and a question was asked about the proposed
>>>>> e-book version of this years book.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What I am wondering, is if the previous years books can be changed
>>>>> in Blurb to add an e-book option?
>>>>> 
>>>>> It would be a way for folks to add to their collection at a
>>>>> reasonable cost, plus add some more to the donation funds.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any ideas, Jim?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jay
>>>>> 
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