[Leica] Bokeh and Lenses

Thu Aug 21 21:04:16 PDT 2014

The funny thing is that Mike Johnston, who sort of regrets that he ever
uttered those words, has singlehandedly increased the "value" of that lens
by at least 30%

On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:

> Oops, sorry.  No, I have the 50 Summilux Asph. and the 35 Summicron Asph.
>  Nevermind.  I'll just go back to photographing people and forget about the
> bokeh.
>
> Tina
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 4:07 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
> > You have the 50mm Summicron APO asph?
> >
> > john
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > I have that one so I'll try it, too.  I much prefer the bokeh in that
> > photo!
> >
> > Tina
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 3:37 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > You take a different type of photograph to me Tina, two of the images
> > > I showed the background disks are part of the shot. A straight shot
> > > would not be worth showing and I like the fact I can create something
> > > which the eye does not see ;-)
> > >
> > >  If you want a neutral background then the 50mm APO Summicron is the
> > > best I have seen.....
> > > http://johnmcmaster.com/PAW/2014/31/content/L2005284_large.html
> > >
> > > john
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > I think you are right, Ted!  I'm not going to worry about bokeh any
> more!
> > >  From the examples posted here (and on Olympus and MUG) of "good"
> > > bokeh, only a few look good to me and those are the ones where the
> > > bokeh is not obvious.  If the first thing you see in a photo is the
> > > bokeh, that is a bad thing!!  All of those hideous circles take your
> > > eye away from whatever it is that you are trying to photograph in the
> > > first place.  I just don't understand how that could possibly be
> > considered good.
> > >
> > > No more bokeh for me.  Just photos.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the reminder, Ted!
> > >
> > > Tina
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Ted Grant <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > > > TINA MANELY OFFERED AFTER READING: Mike Johnson's BOKEH article:
> > > > >> He also comments that bokeh gets more problematic:
> > > >
> > > > the larger the aperture
> > > > the closer the focus
> > > > the more distant the background
> > > > the more contrasty the background
> > > > No wonder I had problems.  My 3 photos included all of the
> > > > problematic possibilities!<<<<<
> > > >
> > > > ====================================================================
> > > > ==
> > > > ======
> > > > ==============
> > > >
> > > > Hi CREW & TINA,
> > > > So once again Mike and his bokeh assessments and spooky stories
> > > > about this lens phenomena raises it's so called ugly head and nearly
> > > > everyone acquires wet pants of panic over it! Get over it! Simply
> > > > because if you know nothing about it
> > > >
> > > > "" It don't matter! "IT's THE CONTENT THAT COUNTS!!! HOWEVER IT
> > > > MATTERS TO THE OVER TECHIE PEOPLE!"" Good buddy Mike being one of
> them!
> > > :-)  Hi Mike!
> > > > ;-)
> > > >
> > > > OK here I go again.;-)
> > > > So please let me explain before some of you get wet pants ? ;-) I
> > > > had been a working well published and paid professional photographer
> > > > for I suppose 30 years or more and never knew such a lens phenomena
> > existed.
> > > > Until one day shortly after joining the LUG and Mike Johnson came on
> > > > with his spooky "bokeh -- BS!" Heck I had never read anything about
> > > > this "HORRID LENS EFFECT" let alone it even existed. So OK I had
> > > > nearly always used LEICA glass, whether it exists on LEICA lenses or
> > > > not?  "PLEASE DON'T TELL IF IT DOES, SIMPLY BECAUSE, "WHAT I DON'T
> > > > KNOW ISN'T GOING TO HURT MY PICTURES!"
> > > > :-)
> > > >
> > > > Besides it obviously wasn't a detrimental factor! As I was  being
> > > > hired to fly about the world on "paying published assignments!"NEVER
> > > > A WORD FROM SOME OF THE TOUGHEST-ASSED PHOTO EDITORS YOU NEVER WANT
> > > > TO HAVE! KILLERS OF ONES FEELINGS!
> > > > So when it came up on the LUG screen and I read about it, my
> > > > immediate re-action was "BUll-s-t!" STILL IS IN CAPITAL LETTERS!"
> > > >
> > > > Because if it were such a horrid picture spoiling effect? I'd
> > > > certainly have been chastised to tears any number of times  in the
> > > > past published 60 years!
> > > > But do you know what???? Not one peep about the "bokeh effect" in
> > > > any of the over 300,000 images in the National Archives collection!
> > > >
> > > > OK folks, those who made it to the Leica Gallery New York? ........
> > > > "I didn't hear any comments about the horrid evil "BOKEH FACTOR" in
> > > > any of the photos hanging on the walls?  Therefore? Is "BOKEH" as
> > > > usual, just another techie bit of jabber-whookie needlessly wasting
> > > > our picture taking time babbling about it? INSTEAD OF TAKING
> PICTURES?
> > > >
> > > > OK folks, "have a go at the old LAD!" :-) Whatever you do say, truly
> > > > isn't going to change my mind about "THE BIG BAD BOOGIE BOKEHMAN!"
> > > > :-) cheers, Dr. ted :-)the "big bad bokeh boogeyman":-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On
> > > > Behalf Of Tina Manley
> > > > Sent: August-20-14 3:39 PM
> > > > To: MUGers at yahoogroups.com; Leica Users Group; paw; seephoto;
> > > > Olympus Camera Discussion
> > > > Subject: [Leica] Bokeh and Lenses
> > > >
> > > > PESO:
> > > >
> > > > Mike Johnston (The Online Photographer) has written quite a bit
> > > > about bokeh.  He has a pdf in which he rates many lenses for their
> > bokeh.
> > > >
> > > > http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/files/bokehrankings5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > He also comments that bokeh gets more problematic:
> > > >
> > > > the larger the aperture
> > > > the closer the focus
> > > > the more distant the background
> > > > the more contrasty the background
> > > >
> > > > No wonder I had problems.  My 3 photos included all of the
> > > > problematic possibilities!
> > > >
> > > > Guess I'll try again.   The Summicron does get a 10 in the lens
> > ratings.
> > > >
> > > > Tina
> > > >
> > >
> >
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