[Leica] Bokeh and Lenses

Thu Aug 21 15:37:01 PDT 2014

Oops, sorry.  No, I have the 50 Summilux Asph. and the 35 Summicron Asph.
 Nevermind.  I'll just go back to photographing people and forget about the
bokeh.

Tina

On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 4:07 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote:

> You have the 50mm Summicron APO asph?
>
> john
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> I have that one so I'll try it, too.  I much prefer the bokeh in that
> photo!
>
> Tina
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 3:37 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
> > You take a different type of photograph to me Tina, two of the images
> > I showed the background disks are part of the shot. A straight shot
> > would not be worth showing and I like the fact I can create something
> > which the eye does not see ;-)
> >
> >  If you want a neutral background then the 50mm APO Summicron is the
> > best I have seen.....
> > http://johnmcmaster.com/PAW/2014/31/content/L2005284_large.html
> >
> > john
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > I think you are right, Ted!  I'm not going to worry about bokeh any more!
> >  From the examples posted here (and on Olympus and MUG) of "good"
> > bokeh, only a few look good to me and those are the ones where the
> > bokeh is not obvious.  If the first thing you see in a photo is the
> > bokeh, that is a bad thing!!  All of those hideous circles take your
> > eye away from whatever it is that you are trying to photograph in the
> > first place.  I just don't understand how that could possibly be
> considered good.
> >
> > No more bokeh for me.  Just photos.
> >
> > Thanks for the reminder, Ted!
> >
> > Tina
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Ted Grant <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > TINA MANELY OFFERED AFTER READING: Mike Johnson's BOKEH article:
> > > >> He also comments that bokeh gets more problematic:
> > >
> > > the larger the aperture
> > > the closer the focus
> > > the more distant the background
> > > the more contrasty the background
> > > No wonder I had problems.  My 3 photos included all of the
> > > problematic possibilities!<<<<<
> > >
> > > ====================================================================
> > > ==
> > > ======
> > > ==============
> > >
> > > Hi CREW & TINA,
> > > So once again Mike and his bokeh assessments and spooky stories
> > > about this lens phenomena raises it's so called ugly head and nearly
> > > everyone acquires wet pants of panic over it! Get over it! Simply
> > > because if you know nothing about it
> > >
> > > "" It don't matter! "IT's THE CONTENT THAT COUNTS!!! HOWEVER IT
> > > MATTERS TO THE OVER TECHIE PEOPLE!"" Good buddy Mike being one of them!
> > :-)  Hi Mike!
> > > ;-)
> > >
> > > OK here I go again.;-)
> > > So please let me explain before some of you get wet pants ? ;-) I
> > > had been a working well published and paid professional photographer
> > > for I suppose 30 years or more and never knew such a lens phenomena
> existed.
> > > Until one day shortly after joining the LUG and Mike Johnson came on
> > > with his spooky "bokeh -- BS!" Heck I had never read anything about
> > > this "HORRID LENS EFFECT" let alone it even existed. So OK I had
> > > nearly always used LEICA glass, whether it exists on LEICA lenses or
> > > not?  "PLEASE DON'T TELL IF IT DOES, SIMPLY BECAUSE, "WHAT I DON'T
> > > KNOW ISN'T GOING TO HURT MY PICTURES!"
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > Besides it obviously wasn't a detrimental factor! As I was  being
> > > hired to fly about the world on "paying published assignments!"NEVER
> > > A WORD FROM SOME OF THE TOUGHEST-ASSED PHOTO EDITORS YOU NEVER WANT
> > > TO HAVE! KILLERS OF ONES FEELINGS!
> > > So when it came up on the LUG screen and I read about it, my
> > > immediate re-action was "BUll-s-t!" STILL IS IN CAPITAL LETTERS!"
> > >
> > > Because if it were such a horrid picture spoiling effect? I'd
> > > certainly have been chastised to tears any number of times  in the
> > > past published 60 years!
> > > But do you know what???? Not one peep about the "bokeh effect" in
> > > any of the over 300,000 images in the National Archives collection!
> > >
> > > OK folks, those who made it to the Leica Gallery New York? ........
> > > "I didn't hear any comments about the horrid evil "BOKEH FACTOR" in
> > > any of the photos hanging on the walls?  Therefore? Is "BOKEH" as
> > > usual, just another techie bit of jabber-whookie needlessly wasting
> > > our picture taking time babbling about it? INSTEAD OF TAKING PICTURES?
> > >
> > > OK folks, "have a go at the old LAD!" :-) Whatever you do say, truly
> > > isn't going to change my mind about "THE BIG BAD BOOGIE BOKEHMAN!"
> > > :-) cheers, Dr. ted :-)the "big bad bokeh boogeyman":-)
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On
> > > Behalf Of Tina Manley
> > > Sent: August-20-14 3:39 PM
> > > To: MUGers at yahoogroups.com; Leica Users Group; paw; seephoto;
> > > Olympus Camera Discussion
> > > Subject: [Leica] Bokeh and Lenses
> > >
> > > PESO:
> > >
> > > Mike Johnston (The Online Photographer) has written quite a bit
> > > about bokeh.  He has a pdf in which he rates many lenses for their
> bokeh.
> > >
> > > http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/files/bokehrankings5.pdf
> > >
> > > He also comments that bokeh gets more problematic:
> > >
> > > the larger the aperture
> > > the closer the focus
> > > the more distant the background
> > > the more contrasty the background
> > >
> > > No wonder I had problems.  My 3 photos included all of the
> > > problematic possibilities!
> > >
> > > Guess I'll try again.   The Summicron does get a 10 in the lens
> ratings.
> > >
> > > Tina
> > >
> >
>
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