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Subject: [Leica] [LRflex] Declining Camera production...film cameras
From: mak at teleport.com (Mark Kronquist)
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 12:21:21 -0800
References: <2019211185251.744855@Telyt> <32f6d2e8-ab6a-a071-6cb0-85dc8edeee18@hotmail.com> <56EDDE0F-9EE5-4852-BCBB-64E93277F949@bex.net>

I have noticed at large gatherings (Patriot Prayer Riot  - 8-4-2018 PDX) a 
large number of film cameras high end ie Leica M R and Nikon F Series Canon 
F-1 probably more than digital

But this is Portland Home of Blue Moon   Pro Photo    and Shadowsmith 
(Corvallis) 

> On Feb 11, 2019, at 7:44 PM, Howard Ritter <hlritter at bex.net> wrote:
> 
> Although, to be fair, mediocrity is migrating upward, along with 
> superiority. In the hands of a careful and knowledgeable user, 
> contemporary cell-phone cameras are quite capable of making very nice 
> images indeed. And thank God we?ve seen the last of the disposable cameras 
> littering the landscape. It?s nice that what?s replaced them has superior 
> capabilities to theirs.
> 
> ?howard
> 
>> On Feb11, 2019, at 2233, Aram Langhans via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> When I am on a trip I pay attention to the types of cameras people are 
>> using.  This last two trips, Fall and Winter, I was surprised at what I 
>> saw.  Nikon has the lion's share, which is different from previous trips 
>> where Canon and Nikon were more or less equally represented.  But what 
>> really surprised me was that mirrorless cameras were very rare.  I had 
>> expected from all I read that they are taking over the world.  Not so at 
>> Albuquerque balloon fiesta or Yosemite in October or December.  Those 
>> that I did see were mainly Sony, but I even saw a few Fuji and Olympus. I 
>> saw quite a few more old film cameras out and about in Yosemite.  Pentax 
>> for the most part and a few Leica.
>> 
>> Overall, not at all what I was expecting.  It will be interesting to see 
>> this Spring if any of the Nikon or Canon mirrorless are to be spotted. Of 
>> course, the most common was the cell phone. Mediocrity wins all the time.
>> 
>> Aram
>> 
>> On 2/11/2019 6:52 PM, David Young wrote:
>>> From today's 43Rumors.com ...
>>> 
>>>> The bottom line is very bad though. We are below 20 million units per
>>>> year and mirrorless cameras don't gain as much traction as you might
>>>> think (2% increase per year vs. 12% decrease in DSLR). For the first
>>>> time, interchangeable lens cameras surpassed the sales of compact
>>>> cameras (not surprising, to be honest). If you look at the entire decade
>>>> you see an unbelievable drop of 84% from 2010 to 2018 in the number of
>>>> cameras sold/made per year.
>>> For interest I dug up the numbers for the best year film cameras had.
>>> 
>>> All I had to do was consult my "Brief History of Photography"  (cheap 
>>> plug!)  to find that 1997 was the biggest year for film camera 
>>> production, at 36.7 million units. However, I cannot find a breakdown to 
>>> P&S vs SLR's for that year.
>>> 
>>> It seems total camera production was insanely boosted by the advent of 
>>> digita,l as 2010 peaked at 121 million units (including 
>>> who-knows-how-many P&S cameras).  From there, it has dropped to a mere 
>>> 19 million units in 2018.
>>> 
>>> It's no wonder that cameras are rising in price, as the makers try to 
>>> concentrate on higher value mirrorless & dSLR models, to keep their 
>>> income up, as units slide.
>>> 
>>> David.
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