Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2018/01/13

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Lluis,

There are two sub sects of ready made buyers - remember at Leica pricing
and consequent obscene margins, you do not have to sell too many units to
make a decent Return On Investment (ROI in financial parlance).

 - Those photographers who are compulsive buyers of Leica equipment,
without any regard to usable value. We have all been there, at least I
have, though with other brands that do not make such a dent in the wallet!

 - Those wannabe nouveauu riche who drape Leica on their bodies like
jewelry - in the Montblanc/Rolex beginners mold, mind you, rather than in
the Namiki/Lange mold of artistic value for money despite the cost!

I am afraid they have left nuts and bolts photographers in the dust. When
you can get a complete Nikon D850, or Sony A7R III system with quite a few
exemplary lenses, I find it very difficult to make the case for a Leica SL,
under any circumstances, given the bulk and weight.

They are, however, going to navigate some rough weather, because with the
excellent new Fuji and Hasselblad offerings in the MF (or rather, larger
than FF) segment, at the extremely competitive price points, I expect Leica
S sales to have dropped off already. I doubt if they have manufactured any
batches of bodies for some time, but probably just very, very quietly and
discreetly discounting (because discounting is the kiss of death for luxury
items!) and selling all the present stock lying with them and reassessing
the future at the same time. Look out for a new Leica S announcement soon!

Cheers
Jayanand


On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 12:19 AM, Lluis Ripoll <
lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:

> In addition I have read on Leica Rumors they are preparing the
> announcement M lenses 90mm f1.5 and  35mm Noctilux f 0,95
>
> With the actual cameras going to very high ISO values I ask me who need
> such apertures
> Lluis
>
>
>
> > El 13 gen 2018, a les 19:43, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> va
> escriure:
> >
> > It?s just frustrating to me Leica comes with a paradigm shifting, time
> warping, M system crunching SL system which reinvents everything and gets
> us all excited.
> > They promise forthcoming a trio of prime glass long time Leica users
> love and are used to a 35mm, 50mm and 75mm and then don?t come through with
> them. Oops sorry maybe next year!
> > They do somehow get around to having the time to come through with three
> zoom monsters, a 16-35mm, 24-90mm, and now 90-280mm.
> > The SL is about the same size and weight as an M and will take M glass
> so we make the mistake of thinking this will revolutionize our M style
> shooting. But all those years of having to make compact glass which stays
> out of the line of sight of the viewfinder has gotten them thinking and
> doing other things.
> > Leica seems to have R shooting in mind here not M shooting or M shooters.
> > They want big glass, zoom glass, long glass, hyper expensive glass,
> heavy glass with a million floating elements in them.
> > Barnak needs to come back from the grave and kick some serious ass.
> > I just think it should have been handled differently. As in come out
> with the glass they say they are coming out with.
> >
> > I think SL prospective buyers and shooters should go on SL lens buying
> strike and not buy those metal munching monsters but force Leica to come
> out with those juicy primes!
> > We get to see how good Leica can make an AF 35mm, 50mm, 75mm lens when
> they don?t have to keep keeping the size super small.
> > With a tro of sharper than M glass they M system itself will need to
> scramble.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Mark William Rabiner
> > Photographer
> >
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