Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2017/06/19
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Actually, I agree with Mark, it is far easier to keep digital backups than film ones. We can store on the cloud, renew the backup periodically, change the mode every few years, have multiple copies in multiple locations, transfer to newer drives, and so on - none of which film can do. If we are moderately aware, it is very easy, and inexpensive, given the cost of storage today. I refresh my backup drives every two years, and maintain four copies (one internal hard drives, one NAS, two on portable external hard drives) in three locations (my house, son's house and the bank locker), all within a hundred metres of each other. Never had a problem yet. The point really is that if we are careless about backups, for any type of media, then nothing is safe. Look at another advantage with digital, IMHO the primary one - a RAW file is really akin to an undeveloped negative, which can be developed a million different ways at different times, at different levels of improving technology, not just once, and it is very easy on mistakes. Cheers Jayanand On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Peter Dzwig <pdzwig at summaventures.com> wrote: > But Mark, digital isn't immutable either. Disk drives develop faults, > formats may change in the future or no longer be backwards compatible, etc. > > Both have their failings. You only get to create negs once and if you > screw it up... > > Analogue is about shooting differently because you have to consider each > shot carefully so as not to waste film; unlike last night when I took six > digital shots of a beer glass (with beer and not emptied between shots!) to > see if I could get something to work "in the right way". > > Personally speaking I find working with analogue a b=very interesting > exercise. Then off to some shop to get it souped and scanned or I scan the > negs. Thats where the two meet... > > Whether I shoot better one way or the other is not up to me to judge. > > Peter > > On 07/06/17 21:56, Mark Rabiner wrote: > >> I?ve seen this a lot on the internet and it?s not true or don?t agree >> with it? it?s not true. But it?s really out there being passed around big >> time and achieving some unfortunate credulity as that?s how information >> spreds now. The better virus wins. And you never know which Meme will fly >> and which will die. >> And that?s this backing up to analog as if chemistry based stuff is more >> archival than digital. Or just thinking you are covered if you have a film >> or paper copy of something. >> When we all first heard about this new digital thing coming out the basic >> idea behind the whole thing was the advantage of digital is its digital. >> You make a copy of the thing and the it?s a clone not a copy. It?s the >> same only it exists in a different space. For photography that?s >> revolutionary. Because in the past when make a copy of a negative or of a >> print and hold them side by side and they are no way identical. The ?copy? >> of the thing in most cases is a sad joke. So, you try to avoid copies. >> You >> cover yourself as you?re shooting. You go ?click? a bunch of times not >> just >> once or twice. The best copy or backup is another origional. >> More to the point is the reality that the minute your film is dry or your >> print is dry it starts decomposing; leaking gasses, fading, and staining, >> changing color. Film and prints exist in the organic carbon based world >> just like people and trees. Film is made from dead bunnies (the gelatin). >> Prints are made from that and cotton and wood. Just like people they are >> dying the minute they are born. Returning to the earth from whence they >> came? >> So your film based print and the film itself is not the same image as >> every day goes by. Every day in every way your print is worser and worser. >> Film too. Not as much. >> This is a main advantage not disadvantage of digital. It?s a plus check >> not a minus. You could claim to hate the ?digital look? but go with it >> anyway because it lasts forever. Its digital. Other than the small >> possibility of an isolated file getting corrupted when you go to your >> digital file to Photoshop it again to print it or put it up on the >> internet >> again a decade or so later you?re NOT dealing with a faded different >> version of the thing. In digital if you can get that single file open it?s >> the same file you dealt the first-time decades going by. Not one 100000th >> of a percent different. >> And if that file doesn?t open you grab another older backup hard disk and >> it will. >> In the past decade, my digital body of work is on hard disks and right >> here near me. My chemical body of work is in a storage cubicle with fumes >> coming out of each and every print and neg and slide. I?ve not seen it in >> a few days I hope to soon and I don?t pass out from the gasses as I open >> the door. >> By the way if one print or roll of film is under fixed or under washed it >> gives off a lot more and nastier gases than the stuff which was properly >> fixed and washed sitting near it or in the same closet. So, the properly >> processed stuff is probably fading at an accelerated rate too. >> The chemical analog workflow is messy. The advantages are hard to find. >> And if there are any advantages to film archivalness is not one of them. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information