Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2017/06/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Gerry if you ask how to hold a hammer, they'll draw plans for a house around here. from my iPad Sonny Carter > On Jun 15, 2017, at 5:17 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > > Gerry many people use too much Photo flo and they get marks because of > that. > You squeegee with your two fingers never a rubber thing or sponge. Your > first and second fingers. Really. > And I think Photo Flo is the reason why film dries well or messed up it > takes care of hard water and most anything else but will be the problem > itself just as often if too much is used. > Normally I?d say use a cap from the bottle of photo flo as that?s what we > always did but I check and the cap is way large now. > I check now and ?Available in 3 different concentrations? so you have to > read the back of the bottle and if it doesn?t work try using half that > amount. > It should not be all foamy. Only a hint of foam. > > Kodak 1464510 Photo-flo 200 Wetting Agent > And if that doesn?t work get a gallon of Distilled water for a last dip > only to put the photo flo in. > I put filters in my water lines I got from Calumet. They?re from Chicago. > > Mark William Rabiner > > On 6/15/17, 5:07 PM, "LUG on behalf of Gerry Walden" > <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of > gerry.walden at icloud.com> wrote: > > Forgive me, but when I asked this question I just wanted to know > whether there were any new kids on the block as far as developers went. I > ssem to have stirred up a hornets nest. > > I remember now that I used to use Xtol 1:3 and it was about the best > around. If I go back to home processing that is what I will use. My big > problem is drying marks through film drying and final wash with very hard > chalky water. > > Gerry > > Gerry Walden LRPS > www.gwpics.com > +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or > +44 (0)797 287 7932 > > > > > > >> On 15 Jun 2017, at 17:31, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: >> >> Lluis I used to roll my film back to back two rolls in the same reel! And >> taught my assistants to do it. A few of them were incredulous. I got >> this from a Bill Pierce column in Popular photography in the early 70?s >> it worked. >> But it makes Kodak?s recommendations as to limits of Xtol and puts them >> in the dust. >> I ran 8 rolls of 35mm film in a liter or quart of 1:3 Xtol. >> Then dumped it down the drain. My times where close to what they should >> have been. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photographer >> >> On 6/15/17, 10:40 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography" >> <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of >> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Mark, >> >> Thank you for useful information, very interesting to learn it! You >> mention Delta 400, yes it is a great film, I?ve not use it after a while >> and just the past days I was in the darkroom enlarging, the pics with >> this one was very fine. >> >> Your recomendation about testing dilution is also very interesting to >> follow. >> >> Thank you >> Lluis >> >> >> >>> El 15 juny 2017, a les 14:25, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> va >>> escriure: >>> >>> If you Bing it or Google it for 15 minutes you?ll see the top, smart, >>> nice, funny spiritual people are all at 1:3. The ones whose prints sold >>> for the most money and who dressed better. >>> Diluting Xtol 1:3 instead of 1:2 ads a couple of more minutes to it its >>> way worth it. With that you get better edge caracteristics which is >>> directly linked to higher dilution. And other advantages I was using 1:2 >>> for a while and my prints were obviously worse. >>> >>> By the way in my college in the early 70?s in St. Louis, we did us >>> students who were always in the darkroom an unusual thing which I?d >>> never heard of other places. We all ran our film in D76 1:2 instead of >>> 1:1. The students who came in in the beginning of the year and ran the >>> recommended 1:1 and universal default had prints you could spot across >>> the room as being way less sharp. Way less edge. And way less sharp >>> grain. But a tad less grain. And they were not very nice people who told >>> bad jokes. It looked like they were shooting with Spiratone lenes. >>> A good policy is to dilute until you hit a point when you?re seeing >>> uneven development in your negs. Washed out areas. Then you back up a >>> notch. But you?ll ahead of time see what everyone else is doing. >>> Neopan Acros 100 Xtol 1:3 16? minutes 70 degrees? agitation every >>> minute and the first full minute. >>> All film listed here is 1:3 70 degrees F, agitation every minute 10 >>> seconds and the first full minute. >>> Delta 100 14? >>> Delta 3200 16? >>> Delta 400 14? Neopan 1600 RIP my main film when out and about >>> shooting for myself. Even with a Noctilux. 12 minutes and looks like >>> an iso 100 film. And here you are shooting it on the street. No tripod. >>> I used it for on location commercial jobs no flash or tripod. The 100 >>> with the studio strobes in the studio. Delta 100 from Ilford as just >>> about as good. >>> Neopan Acros 100 16 ? as high a rez film anyone would ever want or need >>> in Xtol 1:3 >>> Get a tank so you can develop 8 rolls at a time or I can see your point >>> and wanting to keep shorter times. >>> You?ll shoot more with a big boy tank. >>> Pan F 50, they still make it. 12? >>> Tri X 400 11? >>> Tri X Pro 320 in 120 or 220 format, 15? >>> All the other times here is for 35mm format. Times are different for >>> different formats why no one knows. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> Photographer >>> >>> On 6/15/17, 7:32 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography" >>> <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of >>> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Chris, Dan >>> >>> I will do 1+1 on my next two films, I want avoid long develping times. >>> I?ve used HC110 many years ago, but I liked better ID11/D76 >>> >>> Cheers >>> Lluis >>> >>> >>> >>>> El 15 juny 2017, a les 11:49, Christopher Crawford <chris at >>>> chriscrawfordphoto.com> va escriure: >>>> >>>> Its been years since I used Xtol. I never really liked the tonality as >>>> much as D-76, though Xtol does give finer grain. I got best results >>>> diluted 1+1. >>>> >>>> Be careful with higher dilutions. Kodak, when it first came out, listed >>>> times for 1+2 and 1+3 dilutions. A lot of photographers got severely >>>> underdeveloped negs with those dilutions, using Kodak?s times. Turns >>>> out, >>>> Xtol cannot stand being diluted that much unless you develop the film >>>> in a >>>> much larger tank than you normally need. I think there had to be 200ml >>>> of >>>> stock in the diluted developer for each roll, so for 1+3 developing, you >>>> could do only one roll in a 32ox tank that could hold four rolls! >>>> >>>> Kodak published the minimum stock quantity needed but a lot of people >>>> ignored it and complained, so they just stopped publishing the times for >>>> the higher dilutions! >>>> >>>> I actually have a copy in PDF format of the original Xtol info booklet, >>>> but the times would be off for Kodak films now since Kodak reformulated >>>> Tri-X and the Tmax films since then. They did publish times for Ilford >>>> films, which might still work if you?re interested in seeing it. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Chris Crawford >>>> Fine Art Photography >>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana >>>> 260-437-8990 >>>> >>>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >>>> >>>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 >>>> Become a fan on Facebook >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6/15/17, 5:15 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography" >>>> <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf >>>> of >>>> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I don?t have a large experience with Xtol, I?ve used for years >>>>> ID11/D76. >>>>> I?ve developed my two last films of Bergger Pancro 400 in Xtol Stock at >>>>> the recomended time, but I?m unhappy with the results. I?ve used it in >>>>> stock to get the shortest developing time and minimize the grain >>>>> effect. >>>>> >>>>> I would like hear your experiences with Xtol, I mainly use FP4 and HP5. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks in advance >>>>> >>>>> Lluis >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information