Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2016/06/02
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]It's worth it just to get the free delivery, and wear it on Faubourg Saint-Honore.... D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philippe" <photo.philippe.amard at gmail.com> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [Leica] M9 reliability question - from the Leica Website This one is still active http://tinyurl.com/h87wxhz :-) Ph Le 2 juin 2016 ? 20:41, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> a ?crit : > Indeed, it appears that 1.204 is not on Leica?s web site. Anyway, the > listing of the M9 I was thinking of has disappeared from the Facebook > Leica Classifieds group, so it is all moot anyway. > > Cheers, > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> > http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ > <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> > Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator > <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> > YNWA > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 02 Jun 2016, at 17:15, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote: >> >> Nathan, >> >> From what I have read, there is no crossover date. Somewhere around >> January 2016 they started using the improved sensor cover, but were also >> still using some of the older covers. It is implied, no, I have not seen >> it written, that the factory made the firmware update when they installed >> the newer sensor system. >> >> John M. says in another post that 1.204 is not available for download. I >> have no way of knowing about this point. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> >> On 6/1/2016 11:54 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: >>> This is confusing, though. How can the firmware version indicate the >>> sensor? What if I have an M9 with the original sensor and just update >>> the firmware myself? >>> It seems from Douglas post that it is safer to go by date of >>> replacement. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Nathan >>> >>> Nathan Wajsman >>> Alicante, Spain >>> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> >>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu >>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> >>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> >>> YNWA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 01 Jun 2016, at 23:30, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Douglas, >>>> >>>> From the latest posting I could find, the best clue is the Firmware >>>> number. Apparently, if the new corrosion-less sensor is installed, >>>> they update the Firmware to 1.204. The previous version, for the >>>> earlier sensor, is 1.202. >>>> >>>> Jim Nichols >>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>>> >>>> On 6/1/2016 4:19 PM, Douglas Sharp wrote: >>>>> http://uk.leica-camera.com/World-of-Leica/Leica-News/About-Leica-News/Global/2015/Update-CCD-Sensor >>>>> >>>>> *Dated 31/08/2015:* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> /"Update CCD Sensor of the Leica M9/M9-P/M >>>>> Monochrom and M-E camera models/ >>>>> >>>>> // >>>>> >>>>> /We are very pleased to inform you that we have successfully completed >>>>> development on our new generation of CCD sensors and conducted >>>>> subsequent quality assurance testing under practical conditions. As a >>>>> result, Leica Camera AG can now begin replacing the sensors in the M9, >>>>> M9-P and M-E models that were affected by corrosion with sensors from >>>>> the new generation./ >>>>> >>>>> /Sensor replacement for M Monochrom models will also begin shortly. We >>>>> will inform you of the precise date of this as soon as possible./ >>>>> >>>>> /On this note, we would like to remind our customers that we can only >>>>> offer replacements for CCD sensors for cameras affected by this >>>>> particular problem; prophylactic replacement is not possible./ >>>>> >>>>> /We thank you for your patience and for your loyalty to the Leica >>>>> brand."/ >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately, it doesn?t say exactly from when the "new generation" >>>>> replacements are being installed. But it seems to indicate that any >>>>> replacements made before 31 August 2015 must have been with older >>>>> generation sensors. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Douglas >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 01.06.2016 23:03, Jim Nichols wrote: >>>>>> Nathan & Douglas, >>>>>> >>>>>> A search turned up this: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/258531-m9-sensor/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim Nichols >>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>>>>> >>>>>> On 6/1/2016 3:53 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: >>>>>>> I have no idea when the cutover date was. I am basing my statements >>>>>>> on Peter Klein?s post. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Nathan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> >>>>>>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu >>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: >>>>>>> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>>>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> >>>>>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >>>>>>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> >>>>>>> YNWA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 01 Jun 2016, at 22:43, Douglas Barry <imra at iol.ie> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nathan, I'll pick your brain if I might as a Google search has >>>>>>>> failed to clarify this. >>>>>>>> I didn't realise the sensor replacement was date critical. The >>>>>>>> private one near me here in Ireland had its sensor replaced 6 >>>>>>>> months ago by Leica. I presume that's ok? If so, I just might make >>>>>>>> him an offer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Douglas >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" >>>>>>>> <photo at frozenlight.eu> >>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 8:22 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] M9 reliability question >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks to all who have replied. So the story is not that >>>>>>>>> simple?not only do I need to know whether the sensor has been >>>>>>>>> replaced but also whether it has been replaced with the old one or >>>>>>>>> the new one. I have asked the seller when the replacement got >>>>>>>>> done. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And no, I do not want to deal with the hassle of sending a camera >>>>>>>>> to Germany and then waiting for who knows how long. My previous >>>>>>>>> experience sending my M8 for repair back in 2009 or 10 was not >>>>>>>>> that great. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Nathan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/> >>>>>>>>> http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu >>>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>>>>> <http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: >>>>>>>>> http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>>>>>> <http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/> >>>>>>>>> Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator >>>>>>>>> <http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator> >>>>>>>>> YNWA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 01 Jun 2016, at 14:22, Frank Verizon 2 2016 >>>>>>>>>> <red735i at verizon.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would buy the one that has not had the sensor replaced, if I >>>>>>>>>> could determine the replacement is required. Then I would send it >>>>>>>>>> in for sensor replacement, getting the complete camera checked >>>>>>>>>> out and adjusted for free. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There are those that would say buying a non-current digicam is >>>>>>>>>> silly. You are buying old technology. Not as good. My argument is >>>>>>>>>> that if it does the job you want, when you buy it, the age of the >>>>>>>>>> technology is not relevant. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The M9 has proven itself to me to be reliable and a great back >>>>>>>>>> end for Leica glass. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> $2500 is a bargain >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Frank >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2016, at 12:05 AM, Nathan Wajsman >>>>>>>>>> <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have always said that once the M9 prices come down to a level >>>>>>>>>> that I am prepared to pay, I will buy one. Well, in the past week >>>>>>>>>> I have seen two for sale, for $2500 and $2200, respectively. The >>>>>>>>>> one I saw this morning has had the sensor replaced. Those prices >>>>>>>>>> are within my range, but I now have doubts about reliability. >>>>>>>>>> Clearly, buying an M9 that has not had a sensor replacement is >>>>>>>>>> out of the question; but in case one has had it, is the new >>>>>>>>>> sensor reliable?or is it just a matter of time before it starts >>>>>>>>>> rotting just like the original one did? And are there other >>>>>>>>>> reliability issues besides the sensor? 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