Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/12/09

[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]

Subject: [Leica] 50 APO Summicron on sale.... Overstock.com
From: hlritter at bex.net (Howard Ritter)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 17:24:40 -0500
References: <014101d1328e$e9cb1380$bd613a80$@verizon.net> <95E1AA8F-3A39-4EFE-B948-86E0E653E311@mac.com> <6DD84FE0-063D-430C-9E30-D64E75C6EF6F@gmail.com> <D0139F72-6B0A-409C-9AF3-B7093516FC91@mac.com> <2A35DC1C-AF81-4DF1-8B48-FB196D2B81E9@bex.net> <BCC05DB2-02F3-412F-B519-E4ED753CBA07@mac.com>

Right! And this is why the image looks as good with the regular Summicron 50.

?howard


> On Dec 9, 2015, at 1:55 PM, chris williams <zoeica at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey if the image looks good who cares right?
> 
> 
> 
> Chris Williams
> www.zoeicaimages.net
> 504-231-6261
> 
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Howard Ritter <hlritter at bex.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Some informal testing that I did a couple of years ago photographing the 
>> same scene with several cameras whose sensor sizes ranged from 4 x 6 mm 
>> to FF, and their zooms all set to the same actual FL, convinced me that 
>> contemporary sensors fall far short of capturing all the information 
>> present in the optical image projected onto them, at least in the central 
>> zones. Every time I looked at a pair of images on-screen presented at the 
>> same image scale, there came a point in progressive enlargement where I 
>> would see more native resolution in the image from the smaller sensor. 
>> This continued, as I recall, until somewhere between the 1?-class 20-MPx 
>> sensor and the 4 x 6-mm, 12-MPx P&S sensor. Since the smallest sensor, 
>> with 12 MPx, is the equivalent of a small section (1/25) of a FF sensor 
>> with 300 MPx, I concluded that it would take a FF sensor of well over 100 
>> MPx to match the native resolution of even the zoom on the P&S camera 
>> (though, to be fair, I think where high-end lenses surpass mass-market 
>> ones is in the zones well off-axis, and at wide apertures). 
>> 
>> So I?m not surprised that you?re not seeing a difference between the 
>> apo-asph Summicron and the regular version; FF sensors of 24 MPx are 
>> simply not capable of showing even the full resolution of the standard 
>> lens, let alone any improvement on it.
>> 
>> And this brings up the possibilities for dispensing with zooms and 
>> interchangeable lenses altogether for general purposes. If a camera with 
>> a fixed WA lens had a FF 200-MPx sensor and a digital zoom function, and 
>> an EVF, it would have the same capabilities as a big FF DSLR with a 
>> 24-120 zoom?even with a linear 1/5 crop, equivalent to a 5x zoom, it 
>> would still give an 8-MPx image file, quite adequate for most purposes. 
>> Think Leica Q with a denser sensor and a zoom lever.
>> 
>> ?howard
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 1:17 PM, chris williams <zoeica at mac.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Right, no way I would ever see the true resolving power of it when I'm 
>>> usually shooting wide open at slow speeds.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chris Williams
>>> www.zoeicaimages.net
>>> 504-231-6261
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 1:15 PM, lluisripollphotography 
>>>> <lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Chris,
>>>> 
>>>> For my style I agree, I?ve shoot some pics with the one of Jay when he 
>>>> has visited Barcelona, I think it is a very good lens if you want to 
>>>> perfect pictures, big enlargements with tripod
>>>> 
>>>> Lluis
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> El 9 des 2015, a les 19:10, chris williams <zoeica at mac.com> va 
>>>>> escriure:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I dunno I tested this lens and I don't see a difference between it and 
>>>>> the 50/2 Summicron.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris Williams
>>>>> www.zoeicaimages.net
>>>>> 504-231-6261
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 9:35 AM, Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> $6,000
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> They have 3 in stock...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Leica-APO-Summicron-M-50mm-f-2.0-ASPH-L
>>>>>> ens/10701431/product.html?searchidx=5
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Frank Filippone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Red735i at verizon.net
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Leica Users Group.
>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Leica Users Group.
>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Leica Users Group.
>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Leica Users Group.
>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Leica Users Group.
>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Leica Users Group.
> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information



In reply to: Message from red735i at verizon.net (Frank Filippone) ([Leica] 50 APO Summicron on sale.... Overstock.com)
Message from zoeica at mac.com (chris williams) ([Leica] 50 APO Summicron on sale.... Overstock.com)
Message from lluisripollphotography at gmail.com (lluisripollphotography) ([Leica] 50 APO Summicron on sale.... Overstock.com)
Message from zoeica at mac.com (chris williams) ([Leica] 50 APO Summicron on sale.... Overstock.com)
Message from hlritter at bex.net (Howard Ritter) ([Leica] 50 APO Summicron on sale.... Overstock.com)
Message from zoeica at mac.com (chris williams) ([Leica] 50 APO Summicron on sale.... Overstock.com)