Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/09/27

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Subject: [Leica] Backup hardware: USB3 HDD
From: richard at richardmanphoto.com (Richard Man)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2015 22:25:39 -0700
References: <C5F53B9A-14BB-484B-9D46-ABE80D0E37A4@fastmail.com> <D22E29A7.481F7%mark@rabinergroup.com>

My point is simply that there is "fool-proof" brands any more. Some dates,
Seagte is better, others, it may be Hitachi... and so it goes.

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 8:17 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
wrote:

> People on these LUG backup conversations seldom mention the idea that as
> long as your backups are not too far apart if one of them turns out to be
> corrupted you've still got the one before that so its not like you've lost
> everything.  You've only lost your more current stuff. And if you've double
> backed up then you've not even lost that.
> I'm just saying the world doesn't end if every drive you've ever backed up
> to does not last forever. As you know that's not going to happen anyway and
> it doesn't have to.
>
>
> On 9/27/15 4:52 PM, "Adam Bridge" <abridge683 at fastmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I agree with Frank. Backups require a variety of solutions. Having a
> ?direct
> > connect? hard drive is a fundamental part of that solution. Having an
> off-site
> > backup is another. There are a variety of solutions for this as well.
> I?ve
> > been using arq software to backup my images to Amazon?s ?Glacier? storage
> > although I could have used any of the Amazon S3 storage tiers as well.
> Depends
> > on how quickly you want to be able to restore. Since I?m unlikely to
> need to
> > download on a moment by moment basis Glacier, which uses off-line
> storage, is
> > a reasonable bet. It seems reasonably affordable. Amazon knows a lot
> about
> > secure storage solutions and they won?t use my images to sell me ads or
> market
> > me.
>
> Virtually all my images live on a large Promise Pegasus Thunderbolt 2
> > external RAID. I back that up to a Drobo. This doesn?t entirely solve the
> > image integrity issue, however. I?d like to have a check-sum to verify
> each
> > image against and a more rigorous file system than Mac OS X currently
> > employes. I?m hoping that in the future Apple will create a file system
> built
> > around data integrity like ZFS. But this seems unlikely to me as Apple
> focuses
> > more and more on iOS products. I suppose I could build a Linux box with
> ZFS
> > but I?m beyond the place where that seems interesting to me and it
> doesn?t
> > solve the problem on the Mac. And I don?t do Windows.
>
> If we?re going to keep
> > terabytes of data around we have to care about keeping it reliable. It?s
> just
> > a different part of the game. I wish the hardware and OS guys would
> really
> > focus on this but as a selling point to consumers it isn?t important.
>
> Adam
>
> >
> > On Sep 27, 2015, at 11:19 AM, Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Frys Electronics has a Western Digital 5TB external USB3.0 drive on sale
> > for $120. This is a massive amount of storage (in Leica M240 terms, about
> > 200,000 raw  images). If you are looking for a backup HDD, this is a cost
> > effective solution.
> >
> > Please, no outbursts of WD is no good, brand Z is
> > better.  Or some techie version of why you should only use NAS drives.
> This
> > is a simple, cost effective, low tech way to backup your
> > computer.
>
>
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