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Subject: [Leica] INFO: Street photography in jeopardy?
From: philippe.amard at sfr.fr (Philippe)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:11:10 +0200
References: <2D51547A-29D6-4C6D-B05A-B54E20FD2DA6@sfr.fr> <86A1EB8C-DA4C-4E4F-97FB-6A5778D08D5E@frozenlight.eu>

Thanks Nathan for making clear the point on EU legislative procedure. Since 
this is one of the subjects I lecture on I tend to forget not everyone knows 
about it, at all.

OTT: The map in the article is what I referred to when I wrote "precious 
info on what you can/can't shoot and use on the streets of Europe"
This I think is still a valid point even though you add commercially.

Thanks again
Amities
Philippe

Le 9 juil. 2015 ? 09:00, Nathan Wajsman <nwajsman at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Sorry, but this debate is tinged by alarmist BS (the worst was the 
> change.org petition that arrived in my inbox yesterday). I see that even 
> Le Monde uncritically reproduces materials from press releases without 
> checking things for themeselves. 
> 
> The facts are:
> 
> - this whole debate concerns only COMMERCIAL use. Posting a picture on 
> Facebook or your website is not commercial use unless someone pays you for 
> it.
> 
> - the ?freedom of panorama? where even commercial use is unrestricted 
> exists is some European countries (e.g. UK or Sweden) but not in others 
> (e.g. France or Belgium). The proposal from MEP Cavada is indeed to 
> harmonise this across the EU, and since he is French it is not surprising 
> that he wants to harmonise around the French approach.
> 
> Most importantly: regardless of what the EU Parliament votes today, there 
> will be NO change in the law as a consequence. For that reason, the 
> alarmist language in various petitions (I have seen statements like ?in a 
> few days, it could be illegal for you to photograph in public?) is pure 
> BS. Why? Because the vote of the EU Parliament means nothing. It is just a 
> non-binding opinion. The parliament cannot initiate a law; the right to 
> propose laws is exclusively with the Commission. Once the Commission has 
> made a proposal, then the Parliament and Council decide on it. But not 
> before. The Commission is indeed working on a reform of copyright in the 
> EU and will probably come out with a proposal in the autumn. Then, and 
> only then, will the discussion of this issue or any other 
> copyright-related issue become meaningful.
> 
> Cheers,
> Nathan
> 
> Nathan Wajsman
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>> On 09 Jul 2015, at 08:04, Philippe <philippe.amard at sfr.fr> wrote:
>> 
>> I hope this amendment will fail later today. 
>> Nevertheless, the article (in French) contains some precious info on what 
>> you can/can't shoot and use on the streets of Europe
>> 
>> http://www.lemonde.fr/culture/visuel/2015/07/08/la-photo-de-rue-en-peril_4674294_3246.html
>> 
>> Amities
>> Philippe
>> 
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