Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/05/24
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I use my Nikon DSLRs with primes for taking photographs of my granddaughter, for the most part, but I find that the Fuji X100s works extremely well, too. Cheers Jayanand On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> wrote: > Jay, > I didn't have a lot of luck using point and shoots for grandkids, I'm up > to five of them, so I can speak with experience. > > Interestingly, the automation works against you, as well as the low ISO > performance. > > I had pretty good luck with the Pentax Kr, especially with fast primes. > > My M9 is also a good performer, but again the low ISO means slow shutter > speeds, and stuff with kids often is not in well lighted areas. > > The Sony A7s with articulated screen, and higher ISO and either good AF or > ability to use my fast Leica primes is great, especially with constant > live view. No lag... > > I've been tossing around trading the M9 for an M, but the drawbacks of the > current live view arrangement are not making me want the trade. > > I enjoy both the M9 and the Sony; each are great in their place, but I no > longer see the M as a do-all camera, especially with grandkids. > > from my iPad > > Sonny Carter > > > On May 24, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Bob, > > Why shoot moving grandkids with this stuff, it seems to be overkill. Just > > get a Fuji x100 or a Panasonic LX100 or something equivalent for that > > purpose! > > Cheers > > Jayanand > > > >> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Ken, > >> > >> The real issue with live view on the Leica is that it opens the > mechanical > >> shutter when you start live view. Then, when you depress the shutter > >> release button, the Leica closes the mechanical shutter and then fires > >> (opens and closes) the shutter. It's a really big lag IMO. And it > doubles > >> the shutter actuations > >> > >> Here's my working theories: > >> 1. The rangefinder mechanism on MY M240 is amazing. That would be the > >> primary reason to get the MM 2 over the MM 1 (the second reason being > the > >> noticeably smoother shutter: the M9 chassis has a noticeable shutter > kick). > >> The M240's rangefinder is greatly improved over the M9 and has held its > >> accuracy for as long as I've owned the camera. It's spot on > >> > >> HOWEVER.... When I shoot handheld wide open and close, even a slight > >> movement by my head will change the focal point, especially on the f/1 > and > >> f/1.4 50mm lenses and the 75 f/2. So I geek: move my neck back and forth > >> while shooting trying to get it right. Especially hard with my moving > >> grandkids. Shutter lag simply defeats the accuracy of any type of > focusing > >> with these apertures at close distance: using the rangefinder really > helps > >> because of its tiny lag. > >> > >> 2. With landscapes I tend to do the same thing with my M as I do with my > >> larger system. Focus as best I can, through the viewfinder (and > sometimes > >> live view) and then fine tune by using the image review function where I > >> can move the magnified portion around on the screen. With my larger > system, > >> I am looking at the RAW file: with the M I'm looking at the on screen > jpeg. > >> > >> Does that make sense? > >> Bob > >> > >> > >>> On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Bob, > >>> > >>> Here is a Leica-rookie question. I have seen numerous posts about > users > >>> sending bodies and lenses back to Leica to calibrate, to avoid back and > >>> front focus issues. Is this what live view is intended to avoid? I > know > >>> even my SLR's have focus issues if I don't calibrate the lenses with > >>> in-camera software. If there is not an issue with matching bodies and > >>> lenses, yes I would prefer to have rangefinder focus (my last Leica > long > >>> ago was an M3 with a 35mm Summicron, where it was difficult to make a > >> focus > >>> error though I succeeded at times). Thx for some enlightenment. > >>> > >>> Ken > >>> > >>>> On 5/24/2015 5:29 PM, Bob Adler wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Honestly I find live view useless as implemented in the M240. > Completely > >>>> useless because of the unbelievable shutter lag for non-landscape > images > >>>> and inability to move the magnified area of the view around to check > >> focus > >>>> for landscape work. > >>>> > >>>> For the decisive moment you will need to anticipate an additional 1/2 > >> sec > >>>> or more in advance. For landscapes you will need to reframe after > >> focusing. > >>>> > >>>> Sorry, but I never use live view. But I own no R lenses which it may > >>>> actually be useful for per others' experiences I have read. > >>>> Best, > >>>> Bob-The -Grump > >>>> > >>>> Bob Adler > >>>> Robert Adler Photography > >>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com > >>>> > >>>> On May 24, 2015, at 12:32 PM, George Lottermoser < > >>>>> george.imagist at icloud.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Live view certainly is what keeps me dreaming about the "upgrade;" > >>>>> while feeling quite satisfied with the "high ISO" of the MM I. > >>>>> > >>>>> a note off the iPad, George > >>>>> > >>>>> On May 24, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Doug Herr < > wildlightphoto at earthlink.net> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> The significant upgrade is live view. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Doug Herr > >>>>>> Birdman of Sacramento > >>>>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com > >>>>>> http://doug-herr.fineartamerica.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> From: Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> > >>>>>>> Sent: May 24, 2015 8:51 AM > >>>>>>> To: Douglas Nygren <douglasnygren at yahoo.com>, Leica Users Group > >>>>>>> < > >>>>>>> lug at leica-users.org> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] New Monochrome results > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Good writeup here by Erwin Puts. Doesn't seem to be worth the $$... > >>>>>>> Better > >>>>>>> value with the MM-I > >>>>>>> http://www.imx.nl/photo/leica/camera/styled-50/ > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Bob Adler > >> www.robertadlerphotography.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >