Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/05/07
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Mark, definitely the Plainest Vanilla these days (who needs Hydroquinone in their diet anyway) with an occasional FX2 distraction. I'm also a few rods short of 14 bit it seems and those 12,288 TDV's won't help one bit let alone two. No worries, I can still see a good image when I see one. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > Christopher 8 bit is when you develop your Tri x in Dektol Paper developer > because you're in a hurry and you don't care. You just need to make out > aunt > Martha's face in the print and you don't feel like going to the camera > store > and get more darkroom stuff. > 12 bit is when you develop it in Plain Vanilla D76 1:1. Its a bit of a > default. A lot of film has been developed in D76 1:1. > 14 bit is when you develop it in a better developer for acutance and long > range tonality like Rodinal 1:100 or 1:75 or Xtol 1:3. > It means you care enough to check out better options to the Norm. > Not sure who Norm is. > > > > On 5/6/15 10:39 AM, "Christopher Saganich" <csaganich at gmail.com> wrote: > > > My fault for finding this tragedy a bit amusing. > > > > On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> > wrote: > > > >> They could give you the option which is common and I have with my D700 > of > >> 12-bit vs. 14-bit so you can go for speed or quality. I always have it > set > >> for all thing quality. > >> > >> Richard thanks on that I knew bit depth was not dependent on format it > just > >> struck me that the medium format backs give you larger bit depth options > >> typically. Like 16 bits (65,536 levels per channel). I don't think > there > >> is > >> 16 bits in 24x26 ff. > >> > >> > >> On 5/5/15 11:10 PM, "Jim Nichols" <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote: > >> > >>> Wouldn't it also affect write speeds? What if Leica puts more value on > >>> speed than on bit depths? > >>> > >>> Jim Nichols > >>> Tullahoma, TN USA > >>> > >>> On 5/5/2015 10:04 PM, Doug Herr wrote: > >>>> Sometimes the published bit depth has more to do with marketing than > >> anything > >>>> else. > >>>> > >>>> Doug Herr > >>>> Birdman of Sacramento > >>>> http://www.wildlightphoto.com > >>>> http://doug-herr.fineartamerica.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> > >>>>> Sent: May 5, 2015 6:01 PM > >>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] New M(246) Outputs 12 bit Files > >>>>> > >>>>> The "bit-depth" is not dependent on the format. If 12 bits is good > >> enough > >>>>> for 35mm sensor, then it would be good enough for medium format > >> sensor, and > >>>>> vice versa. > >>>>> > >>>>> Note that I have not said what I think personally on the technical > >> merits. > >>>>> I am just giving out the perspective that the decision is almost > >> certainly > >>>>> financial related rather than based on technical analysis. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at > >>>>> rabinergroup.com> > >> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> 16 bit it says on this phase one achromatic plus monochrome but > medium > >>>>>> format seems to have more bits involved or am I wrong? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 5/5/15 8:01 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> No doubt PhaseOne came to the same conclusion... > >>>>>>> http://www.achromaticplus.com/Achromatic_Plus/The_Back.html > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> not... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Mark Rabiner < > mark at rabinergroup.com> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> I think what will happen is they will put two large prints up side > >> by > >>>>>> side > >>>>>>>> one with the old 14 bit camera and the other with the new 12 bit > >> and the > >>>>>>>> new > >>>>>>>> camera will of course blow the old one right out of the water > these > >>>>>> people > >>>>>>>> did not wake up one morning all of a sudden stupid. > >>>>>>>> The interesting thing will be what the mitigating factors might be > >> and > >>>>>> how > >>>>>>>> they are put in place. > >>>>>>>> Is bit depth less of an issue with only one channel than three? > >> (RGB) > >>>>>>>> Whatever it is the proof will be in the pudding and they've > >> already see > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> tasted the pudding. They'll give us a taste when they get around > >> to it. > >>>>>>>> But > >>>>>>>> I do think plenty of people will be blown over by rather large > >> glowing > >>>>>>>> monochrome prints from this camera which will be a life changing > >>>>>>>> experience. > >>>>>>>> A new paradigm creating kind of thing. And we'll see those soon. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 5/5/15 12:12 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I don't think you need to sign it. It's open for all to view. A > >> longer > >>>>>>>> way > >>>>>>>>> to get there is: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Go to www.getdpi.com you will see Jono Slacks article about the > >> new > >>>>>>>>> Monochrom. Then click on the getDPI Forums. > >>>>>>>>> Then scroll down to the Leica link > >>>>>>>>> Post #47 under The New Monochrom - a fine report > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hope this helps... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Steve Barbour < > >> steve.barbour at gmail.com > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On May 5, 2015, at 8:58 AM, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> This webpage is not available > >>>>>>>>>> it is available, perhaps you have to sign in some-how..... > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Tina > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Robert Adler < > rgacpa at gmail.com> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> See post #46 by Jono Slack: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > http://www.getdpi.com/forum/leica/54592-new-monochrom-fine-report.html#post > >>>>>> 63 > >>>>>>>>>> 9690 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Curiouser and curiouser... > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bob Adler > >>>>>>>>>>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >>>>>> information > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >> information > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >> information > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner > >>>>>>>> Photographer > >>>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >> information > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Mark William Rabiner > >>>>>> Photographer > >>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> > >>>>> // http://facebook.com/richardmanphoto > >>>>> // https://instagram.com/richardmanphoto > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Mark William Rabiner > >> Photographer > >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photographer > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- Chris Saganich www.imagebrooklyn.com