Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/03/20
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]You are very wise, Mark. I appreciate your wisdom. Tina On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > As to my general crowd as being the LUG, Tina, I'm suggesting that the Lug > has a wide range of expertise on the whole photography thing. Really what > seems to be shared is a love of cameras above all. Not even German cameras > and not even Leicas. Not the worse thing in the world but its not like a > group of serious photo students or photo enthusiasts. Not that it should > be.. Its a whole range of approaches, values. > Someone just suggested an hour ago that tweaking our images in any way is > questionable. That's what we're up against here. > DID YOU SHOP THAT PICTURE!?!?! > > No they should be untouched by human hands. > By the way yesterday you were mentioning being upset when people say > things... > I always look up their prints right off the bat it takes me less than a > minute.. By prints I mean jpegs. > If I am impressed by their images then I care about what they write about > mine. If I can't find any images I most certainly don't care what they say > about mine. Unless its nice then I'm happy and I thank them. > If I see their images which are not so great or committed then again I'm > not > caring so much what they say about my work or me. This is the biggest slice > of the pie right here. Indifferent work. No craft. Zero commitment. And the > ones with the most criticism and advice. > With me it all starts with the work. > And nowadays we don't have to ask our new friends to fish out their prints > out of the trunk of their car and hope they didn't leave them in the back > of > their garage.. We can search engine them pretty well in seconds and see > what they had for breakfast the morning before in living color 3D > smell-or-ama. > > In photography talking the talk equals walking the walk. > Photography is the only endeavor that by owning a crummy camera you are an > expert and can walk up to a Pro and ask them with great moral indignation > where their lens cap is. > No other line of interest has that. In any other thing you do you have to > do > it fairly regularly and with a real focus to claim a self righteousness in > it. > > In general I don't ask a person directions on the street corner unless I > search engine them first. You can end up in New Jersey. > > > On 3/20/15 11:59 AM, "Tina Manley" <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Thanks, Mark. That's why I'm asking for content editing help and not > > technical, at least that's what I'm trying to ask for. And asking the > LUG > > is not like asking a general crowd. I thought. As for the B&W vs > color, I > > am prejudiced toward B&W and sometimes need someone to point out why I > > should use color instead. I know that's a weakness of mine. > > > > Tina > > > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Tina, post them but don't ask for technical advice. Like if its too > dark or > >> too light or really anything like that. > >> I don't ask tech advice and I don't get that much. > >> I get "nice pic, Mark" and that's fine with me. And: > >> " reminds me of the taste of wild hickory nuts". Which starts my day of > >> just > >> fine. > >> When an established photographer shows somebody a picture I think it > >> assumed > >> they like it feel its a strong image and want to share it with you. See > if > >> you also think so or maybe its leaving you a bit flat. Not contrast flat > >> but > >> emotionally. > >> Having someone tell a seasoned photog if they think it should be cropped > >> more or less or lighter or darker is a bit presumptuous. Unless they > asked > >> them too! > >> In 50 years of showing people prints I can recall that happening to me > once > >> it was a few years ago and a few months later they put the guy in the > >> looney > >> bin. True story. And coincidence. > >> Even when a novice photog shows me a print I'm reluctant to give that > kind > >> of advice unless I'm sure its what they're asking me for. > >> I say "what kind of criticism are you asking for" > >> To which they invariably say "I don't know" > >> After which I give examples which are multiple choice. > >> And they still don't know. They're all very shy. > >> I just say if I'm responding to the image strongly or not. "this one I > like > >> less than the others" is what I say to a god awful image.. > >> I'll say" did you make that one with a bit more contrast if so I'd love > to > >> see it!?" Or > >> Is this when the camera went of accidently while it was hanging around > your > >> neck? Is what I say when I'm being serious. > >> I think its unusual and uncommon for a seasoned photog to ask technical > >> advice from a general crowd. I'd advise against it. Its asking for > trouble > >> With a capital T which rhymes with P and stands for Plus X! > >> > >> I'd strongly advise not putting up black and white vs. color > comparisons. > >> These are decisions we need to make for ourselves and remind me of my > very > >> early academic classes in photography. And most classes are academic or > >> should be. > >> That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it. > >> > >> > >> On 3/20/15 10:19 AM, "Frank Filippone" <red735i at verizon.net> wrote: > >> > >>> Certainly NOT my intent. I enjoy looking at travel pictures... Yours, > >>> especially, but also Nathan's and Jay's, to name just 2. I mentioned > the > >>> issue with the colors, only because I felt there was something amiss > >> with what > >>> I thought the public at large would have seen. Now that I understand > the > >>> point of showing the particular pictures for content and comsposition, > I > >>> understand that my comment was out of place. > >>> > >>> I apologize for interfering with your image flow. > >>> > >>> Please do not stop posting: Viewing them is my way of going with you, > >>> vicariously, to many parts of the world I will never see. > >>> > >>> Frank Filippone > >>> Red735i at verizon.net > >>> > >>> But now it doesn't look like dawn which was the whole point to me. > >>> > >>> I have fallen into the trap, again, of trying to adjust my photos to > >> please > >>> everyone. I will never get through 16,000 edits at this rate. Right > >> now, all > >>> I am doing is going through the photos as quickly as I can and > selecting > >> those > >>> which might merit more detailed work later. I hit Auto in LR to get in > >> the > >>> ballpark. LR adjustments are non-destructive and I can go back to the > >>> untouched photo at any time. I post the ones I am considering and hope > >> for > >>> comments on the content and/or composition. Anything to do with white > >>> balance, exposure, lifting shadows, suppressing highlights, contrast, > >>> spotting, sharpening can and will be done much later, after I have > >> finished > >>> all of the editing. > >>> > >>> Maybe I should just post the photos straight from LR with no > adjustments > >> at > >>> all? Or maybe I should just not post them at all. It's too > >> discouraging and > >>> demoralizing. > >>> > >>> Thank you, > >>> > >>> Tina > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Mark William Rabiner > >> Photographer > >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photographer > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- Tina Manley www.tinamanley.com tina-manley.artistwebsites.com http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography/3B49552F-90A0-4D0A-A11D-2175C937AA91/Tina+Manley.html