Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/03/01
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Lew, there are some tablet programs that let you use your tablet as a second screen. You can move your tools to there and keep the image on the darkened monitor... On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com> wrote: > With the monitor set down that low, I can barely see the controls. I'm also > miffed that Adobe hasn't provided a simple fix. It'd consist of "print time > presets," corrections that would be sent along with an image to the > printer, but which wouldn't interfere with what you see while you're > editing. > > I might just try letting the print driver do s bw or two, just to see. > > > -Lew Schwartz > > On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote: > > > Not sure I can add much here. I keep my monitor (Dell U2410, Spyder Pro > > calibrated for room light and color) at a brightness and contrast setting > > of 11/50 and keep the room lighting consistent. I think the default > > brightness is 50 which is too much and 100 is like looking into a > > searchlight. To print (in Photoshop) I make a duplicate image and set > them > > side by side on the monitor, then load the paper profile for the > > duplicate. This gives a sense of how to adjust the duplicate for > > printing. Usually it is just a slight brightness increase with the > curves > > tool, and sometimes a small saturation bump. To print, the Epson panel > is > > set to "Photoshop manages colors" and the same paper profile is selected. > > The print is a good match to the monitor unless the viewing conditions > are > > extreme. I say a "good" match since I don't think it is possible to > have a > > perfect match with one source backlit and the other with reflected light. > > I don't use LR for printing but the process is similar with the LR soft > > proofing mode. > > > > That is for color. With B&W using Epson Advanced B&W or a RIP so far as > I > > know there is not an easy way to soft proof. However, after a while I can > > usually make an educated guess. I used to use the ImagePrint RIP for > B&W. > > It is excellent but I'm pretty happy with the Epson driver now. > > > > Ken > > > > On 3/1/2015 4:28 PM, Robert Adler wrote: > > > >> I now have 2 monitors: I have one darkened to match print output (I am > >> actually trying to have a different profile on that monitor for the > paper > >> that I use) and one to work on for web viewing. I initially process for > >> web > >> viewing. I find that most times a simple pulling up on the middle of the > >> curve adjustment in CC or LR works just fine for prints. Sometimes it > gets > >> more complicated. > >> Bob > >> > >> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Aram Langhans <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Similar. I noticed that, too. No matter how I calibrate the monitor, > >>> the > >>> prints are always darker than the monitor. Whether I was printing > >>> myself, > >>> or using Costso. Since two outputs were giving me the same results, my > >>> input must be at fault. So, then, I learned a few years ago to turn > the > >>> monitor down. I downloaded Color HCFR and got it to work with my > Spyder > >>> and found out the monitor was WAY to bright. The profile software for > >>> Spyder did not adjust the monitor brightness. I had to turn my monitor > >>> (Dell 1224 IPS) down to 17 to get to the recommended brightness. It > >>> looks > >>> pretty dark compared to my other monitor, but it works. Prints are > dead > >>> on > >>> from monitor to my printer (R3000) or to Costco. The trend in consumer > >>> monitors seems to be bright and saturated, but that does not translate > >>> to a > >>> standard print file, evidentially. > >>> > >>> so, try getting the HCFR Colorimeter program and see if you can get it > to > >>> work on your Monki. The crank that monitor brightness down. > >>> > >>> Aram > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------- > >>> From: "Robert Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> > >>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 4:02 PM > >>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Prints are way too dark. Driven to distraction > >>> > >>> > >>> Personally, I don't think your missing anything Lew. Even though > these > >>> > >>>> calibrations are supposed to calibrate for "luminance", I tend to turn > >>>> my > >>>> monitor down 2-4 stops to match a standard calibration chart that I've > >>>> printed on my printer. Then I adjust in CC or LR on a monitor that has > >>>> been > >>>> darkened by the above process. Seems really dumb, but it works... > >>>> Best, > >>>> Bob > >>>> PS-Please let me know if you find out differently! > >>>> > >>>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I'm printing on Epson Proofing, using LR 5.7, Epson 4880, ViewSonic > >>>> > >>>>> monitor > >>>>> and I've just re-profiled monitor and printer using colormunki, plus > I > >>>>> confirm that both monitor and printer are using the new profiles. The > >>>>> resulting prints are aprox 2- 4 stops too dark. Too dark is an on > going > >>>>> problem for me, LR, the 4880 and this monitor; I expected things to > get > >>>>> better after the colormunki stuff. I've just been winging a solution > in > >>>>> the > >>>>> past by using the exposure control in the LR develop module and the > >>>>> brightness setting in the print module. Not a great solution, but > >>>>> workable. > >>>>> Now, with these new profiles, I'm not even close. WTF? Things are way > >>>>> worse. What am I missing? > >>>>> > >>>>> -Lew Schwartz > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Bob Adler > >>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- Bob Adler www.robertadlerphotography.com