Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/01/06
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]The famous http://www.getdpi.com/forum/medium-format-systems-digital-backs/ Bob Adler hangs out there too. The tagline is *"Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here." (Dante) :-)* On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 5:54 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > Which guys are these? Why not just show us the URL?!? > I was just reading how the 40mm Hassy CFE FLE is still a very wanted lens > for digital a bunch of guys who really sounded like they knew what they > were > talking about. > > By the way a digital back I'd get would be on the conservative side not a > huge one. And it would still be for the most part overkill. > > > On 1/6/15 4:26 AM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote: > > > Changing the subject line so we don't invite the wrath of Ted :-) > > > > Mark, > > Those digital MFDB shooters are SUPER picky. They talk about how that > $6000 > > Rodenstock "Rody" is not quite as good as that $7000 Schneider or vice > > verse. Of course they are talking about 80 megapixel back!!! As I haven't > > shot MFDB extensively, I am a bit surprised that apparently there are a > lot > > of 23mm-38mm users on that format, which is 1.1x to 1.3x of 645, and they > > stitch and focus stack etc.Their consensus seems to be that the Hassy > Zeiss > > optics are great for film, and even for data back of may be up to 30-40 > > megapixels, but beyond that, you need "digital" designed lens. > > > > It is properly a massive case of sour grape in my part, as even if I have > > the money, I can't see spending $20K just for a back, but in any case, > all > > these talk about lugging a laptop with extra chargers and doing live view > > to focus or use focus stacking etc. does not seem like a big win > comparing > > to lugging a 4x5 with 3 lens, a meter, a loupe, a dark cloth and 12 > > holders. That's a 15 pounds pack, probably less if I choose different > lens > > or just take 6 holders. > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> > wrote: > > > >> Richard I think terms like "fingerprint" and "Character" in lenses is > >> reserved for the revealed faults of lenses of simple coatings or no > >> coatings > >> from decades gone by like the 1960s and before. > >> I can see that modern made of digital optics with smaller image circles > and > >> costing many thousands of dollars might out spec made for Hassy Zeiss > made > >> in the 1990's. But that doesn't reduce them to relics. The specs on > these > >> Zeiss optics are still super high way higher than what we normally see > in > >> all but modern cutting edge Leica M optics. > >> I sure hope its ok for us to be talking about this! > >> > >> > >> On 1/6/15 1:20 AM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote: > >> > >>> That's the one I mentioned. It lists at $15K but people have gotten it > as > >>> low as $12K-$13K through grey market. > >>> > >>> It's the same Sony CMOS sensor used in all the latest MF cameras and > >> backs, > >>> Leica excepted. So it goes to the inexpensive Pentax 645Z for $8000 up > to > >>> the $$$ Phase One at $30000+ (is that enough zeroes?) So the Hassy > price > >> is > >>> not too bad in that sense. > >>> > >>> Supposedly the latest Schneider and Rodenstock lens are way better than > >> old > >>> non-digital lens, but I suspect the old classic Hasselblad Zeiss lens > can > >>> make it up with their "characters." > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 10:09 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at > >>> rabinergroup.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Someone I think Hasselblad/Fuji is marketing a not super high priced > new > >>>> CMOS back which works with classic Hassy 500c bodies or an ELM such > as I > >>>> have. Its enough to make me try to get a job in the post office. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> A CMOS back makes your Hassy not just a studio and tripod camera but a > >>>> digital version of the Hassy film camera like a 35mm DSLR Is to an > SLR. > >> In > >>>> other words you can use it on the street or indoors or at dusk hand > >> held. > >>>> A medium format camera whose iso tops off at 200 would be a lot more > >>>> constricting and limiting than you'd think. There's also a limit on > >> longer > >>>> exposures I think. Personally I'm ok with tripod use but it would be > >> nice > >>>> to > >>>> do with my Hassys what I used to do with them and and what I do now > with > >>>> 35mm format DSLR's. Almost. > >>>> I used a lot of 220 iso 800 film in my Hassy's. Color neg. > >> > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photographer > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> // http://facebook.com/richardmanphoto // https://www.facebook.com/Transformations.CosplayPortraits