Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/01/06
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Which guys are these? Why not just show us the URL?!? I was just reading how the 40mm Hassy CFE FLE is still a very wanted lens for digital a bunch of guys who really sounded like they knew what they were talking about. By the way a digital back I'd get would be on the conservative side not a huge one. And it would still be for the most part overkill. On 1/6/15 4:26 AM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote: > Changing the subject line so we don't invite the wrath of Ted :-) > > Mark, > Those digital MFDB shooters are SUPER picky. They talk about how that $6000 > Rodenstock "Rody" is not quite as good as that $7000 Schneider or vice > verse. Of course they are talking about 80 megapixel back!!! As I haven't > shot MFDB extensively, I am a bit surprised that apparently there are a lot > of 23mm-38mm users on that format, which is 1.1x to 1.3x of 645, and they > stitch and focus stack etc.Their consensus seems to be that the Hassy Zeiss > optics are great for film, and even for data back of may be up to 30-40 > megapixels, but beyond that, you need "digital" designed lens. > > It is properly a massive case of sour grape in my part, as even if I have > the money, I can't see spending $20K just for a back, but in any case, all > these talk about lugging a laptop with extra chargers and doing live view > to focus or use focus stacking etc. does not seem like a big win comparing > to lugging a 4x5 with 3 lens, a meter, a loupe, a dark cloth and 12 > holders. That's a 15 pounds pack, probably less if I choose different lens > or just take 6 holders. > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> > wrote: > >> Richard I think terms like "fingerprint" and "Character" in lenses is >> reserved for the revealed faults of lenses of simple coatings or no >> coatings >> from decades gone by like the 1960s and before. >> I can see that modern made of digital optics with smaller image circles >> and >> costing many thousands of dollars might out spec made for Hassy Zeiss made >> in the 1990's. But that doesn't reduce them to relics. The specs on these >> Zeiss optics are still super high way higher than what we normally see in >> all but modern cutting edge Leica M optics. >> I sure hope its ok for us to be talking about this! >> >> >> On 1/6/15 1:20 AM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote: >> >>> That's the one I mentioned. It lists at $15K but people have gotten it as >>> low as $12K-$13K through grey market. >>> >>> It's the same Sony CMOS sensor used in all the latest MF cameras and >> backs, >>> Leica excepted. So it goes to the inexpensive Pentax 645Z for $8000 up to >>> the $$$ Phase One at $30000+ (is that enough zeroes?) So the Hassy price >> is >>> not too bad in that sense. >>> >>> Supposedly the latest Schneider and Rodenstock lens are way better than >> old >>> non-digital lens, but I suspect the old classic Hasselblad Zeiss lens can >>> make it up with their "characters." >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 10:09 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >> wrote: >>> >>>> Someone I think Hasselblad/Fuji is marketing a not super high priced new >>>> CMOS back which works with classic Hassy 500c bodies or an ELM such as I >>>> have. Its enough to make me try to get a job in the post office. >>>> >>>> >>>> A CMOS back makes your Hassy not just a studio and tripod camera but a >>>> digital version of the Hassy film camera like a 35mm DSLR Is to an SLR. >> In >>>> other words you can use it on the street or indoors or at dusk hand >> held. >>>> A medium format camera whose iso tops off at 200 would be a lot more >>>> constricting and limiting than you'd think. There's also a limit on >> longer >>>> exposures I think. Personally I'm ok with tripod use but it would be >> nice >>>> to >>>> do with my Hassys what I used to do with them and and what I do now with >>>> 35mm format DSLR's. Almost. >>>> I used a lot of 220 iso 800 film in my Hassy's. Color neg. >> -- Mark William Rabiner Photographer http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/