Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/01/29
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Both are very good, Greg. I prefer the first one, because it gives a better feel of the isolation. Thanks for sharing. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA On 1/29/2014 6:17 PM, Henning Wulff wrote: > I would say expose for the highlights, because if they're overcooked > you'll never see them again. Process (develop) for the shadows. This is > closer to how one treated slide film and in that sense it's like all > digital files. With the MM files you just have more DR and can easily pull > things out from the shadows when necessary. > > Henning > > > On 2014-01-29, at 12:50 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote: > >> You are correct Lluis, over 16 years since I last developed a B&W film! >> Zone system all the way, spotmeter, exposure tests for base density then >> development tests for highlights all measured on a densitometer - how >> quickly I forgot :-( >> >> john >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> John, >> >> Are you sure of this? "expose for the highlights and develop for the >> shadows just like film..", what I remember is expose for the shadows and >> develop for the highlights., at least in the Ansel Adams book "The >> Negative"... >> >> Cheers >> Lluis >> >> >> El 28/01/2014, a las 03:32, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> >> escribi?: >> >>> If you burn out the whites with the Monochrom there is no recovery >>> whereas there might be with colour. However the Monochrom can pull a lot >>> of detail from underexposed/shadow areas, so expose for the highlights >>> and develop for the shadows just like film...... >>> >>> The Monochrom images usually start flat and can pushed or pulled >>> almost any way you want ;-) >>> >>> john >>> ________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> The MM image looks flat to me, as you say like TMax compared to TriX. >>> Or at least that was my experience with 35mm film. The MM image is an >>> unknown grayscale, and the M9 image is sRGB. How would that affect >>> the comparison, especially as this might affect web display? >>> >>> Question #2: I have been looking again at the dynamic range >>> differences between film and digital especially as concerns b&w. For >>> film, the advantage is more room in the shoulder as compared to >>> digital. How does the MM compare there, i.e., range in the shoulder >>> vs. color digital cameras? >>> >>> Thx >>> >>> Ken >>> >>> >>> On 1/27/2014 3:28 PM, Robert Rose wrote: >>>>> From these shots there seems to be no reason to prefer one over the >>>>> other, it is just an emotional preference. Perhaps the M9 has a >>>>> richer black, but in Lightroom you could boost the black point of the >>>>> MM image and achieve the same result as the M9. All of your images >>>>> are very good. >>>> If I had to choose I would think the M9 looked like Tri-X without the >>>> grain, and the MM looked like TMax. >>>> >>>> Tell us which you prefer, if you like one better that is. Also, for >>>> the M9 did you shoot in color and convert to B&W, or in jpg with the >>>> B&W setting? >>>> >>>> I prefer the M9, but that is probably because I already bought one. >>>> >>>> Bob Rose >>>> >>>> Message: 20 >>>> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:20:47 +0100 >>>> From: Lluis Ripoll <lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> >>>> Subject: [Leica] Comparing B&W M9/MM >>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Message-ID: <5498B81A-FBC7-4DCC-805C-D7F940A2394B at gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >>>> >>>> The casta?uelas seller >>>> >>>> Leica M9, Lux 75 >>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/20140123_L1038519. >>>> jpg.html> >>>> >>>> the previous one posted with the MM was this one: >>>> >>>> MM Lux 75 >>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/20140123_L1000827L >>>> R5w.jpg.html> >>>> >>>> >>>> The Young Couple >>>> >>>> Leica M9, Lux 75 >>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/20140123_L1038523. >>>> jpg.html> >>>> >>>> the previous one with the MM and Summilux 35 >>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/20140123_L1000863. >>>> jpg.html> >>>> >>>> Thanks for looking, your c&c will be appreciated >>>> >>>> Saludos cordiales >>>> Lluis >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > Henning Wulff > henningw at archiphoto.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > >