Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/01/29
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]You are correct Lluis, over 16 years since I last developed a B&W film! Zone system all the way, spotmeter, exposure tests for base density then development tests for highlights all measured on a densitometer - how quickly I forgot :-( john -----Original Message----- John, Are you sure of this? "expose for the highlights and develop for the shadows just like film..", what I remember is expose for the shadows and develop for the highlights., at least in the Ansel Adams book "The Negative"... Cheers Lluis El 28/01/2014, a las 03:32, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> escribi?: > If you burn out the whites with the Monochrom there is no recovery whereas > there might be with colour. However the Monochrom can pull a lot of detail > from underexposed/shadow areas, so expose for the highlights and develop > for the shadows just like film...... > > The Monochrom images usually start flat and can pushed or pulled > almost any way you want ;-) > > john > ________________________________________ > > > The MM image looks flat to me, as you say like TMax compared to TriX. > Or at least that was my experience with 35mm film. The MM image is an > unknown grayscale, and the M9 image is sRGB. How would that affect > the comparison, especially as this might affect web display? > > Question #2: I have been looking again at the dynamic range > differences between film and digital especially as concerns b&w. For > film, the advantage is more room in the shoulder as compared to > digital. How does the MM compare there, i.e., range in the shoulder > vs. color digital cameras? > > Thx > > Ken > > > On 1/27/2014 3:28 PM, Robert Rose wrote: >>> From these shots there seems to be no reason to prefer one over the >>> other, it is just an emotional preference. Perhaps the M9 has a richer >>> black, but in Lightroom you could boost the black point of the MM image >>> and achieve the same result as the M9. All of your images are very good. >> >> If I had to choose I would think the M9 looked like Tri-X without the >> grain, and the MM looked like TMax. >> >> Tell us which you prefer, if you like one better that is. Also, for the >> M9 did you shoot in color and convert to B&W, or in jpg with the B&W >> setting? >> >> I prefer the M9, but that is probably because I already bought one. >> >> Bob Rose >> >> Message: 20 >> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:20:47 +0100 >> From: Lluis Ripoll <lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> >> Subject: [Leica] Comparing B&W M9/MM >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Message-ID: <5498B81A-FBC7-4DCC-805C-D7F940A2394B at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> The casta?uelas seller >> >> Leica M9, Lux 75 >> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/20140123_L1038519. >> jpg.html> >> >> the previous one posted with the MM was this one: >> >> MM Lux 75 >> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/20140123_L1000827L >> R5w.jpg.html> >> >> >> The Young Couple >> >> Leica M9, Lux 75 >> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/20140123_L1038523. >> jpg.html> >> >> the previous one with the MM and Summilux 35 >> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/20140123_L1000863. >> jpg.html> >> >> Thanks for looking, your c&c will be appreciated >> >> Saludos cordiales >> Lluis >>