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Subject: [Leica] Auto ISO
From: kanner at acm.org (Herbert Kanner)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 09:41:35 -0700
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The sense for me would be when I'm using ny 90 mm lens actively, want 
automatic exposure, but want to select (for all shots) a sufficiently high 
shutter speed.

Herbert Kanner
kanner at acm.org
650-326-8204

Question authority and the authorities will question you.




On Oct 2, 2013, at 7:58 AM, Leowesson <leowesson at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think I'm the only naysayer on this, but I would never use auto ISO.  It 
> makes no sense to me!
> 
> Leo Wesson
> www.leowesson.com
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2013, at 23:30, Herbert Kanner <kanner at acm.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I thought a few words about how this function operates on Leica, at least 
>> on the M9, might be useful to y'all, since the Leica Manual is not the 
>> clearest on this subject. 
>> 
>> Let's start with an understanding of the relationship between the three 
>> parameters: ISO, f-number, and shutter speed. We are used to thinking of 
>> exposure having one degree of freedom for a correct exposure. That is 
>> because we are used, from years of experience with film, of thinking of 
>> ISO being a constant. You can't change ISO in the middle of a roll of 
>> film. So, for any situation, there is one degree of freedom for a 
>> "correct" exposure: you change shutter speed, you have to change 
>> aperture, and vice versa. Hence, for the little all-electronic cameras 
>> where both the aperture and shutter are under computer control, you can 
>> choose the aperture (aperture preferred), or you can chose the shutter 
>> speed (shutter speed preferred) and the camera choses the one you didn't 
>> chose. You all know this; I'm just being pedantic.  Oh, then these idiot 
>> cameras have "programmed" mode where the camera chooses both based on 
>> some arcane set of rules. That's for bozos.
>> 
>> Now, lets look at the Leica. The camera can control the shutter, but it 
>> can't control the aperture. So the only automatic mode would appear to be 
>> aperture preferred. Ah, but the ISO is under the control of the camera's 
>> computer. It is now a third variable: it can be changed at any time. So, 
>> Leica in its wisdom invented Auto ISO. Now we have two degrees of 
>> freedom. That is, we can pick the values of any two: say ISO and 
>> aperture, and now the shutter speed is determined. Thus, on the Leica, we 
>> now have a way of doing shutter speed preferred: set the shutter to the 
>> speed you want, set the aperture to the f-number you want, and the camera 
>> will pick an ISO that gives the correct exposure. So, what happens if you 
>> set Auto ISO and aperture preferred on the M9? You will be in s situation 
>> similar to program mode in a point and shoot. The camera will chose both 
>> the shutter speed and the ISO value. I took a few shots at three 
>> consecutive stops on the dial, and the shutter speed sat at
>  1
>> /150, perhaps not what I would want with a 90mm.
>> 
>> If you set a shutter speed and an f stop with Auto ISO, everything works 
>> fine as long as the ISO that gives "correct" exposure is in the available 
>> ISO range. And you can use exposure compensation. What you lose is any 
>> information about exposure in the viewfinder. What information could that 
>> be? The ISO the camera selects, of course.
>> 
>> One warning: the little dot and triangles used for manual exposure 
>> setting seem to be meaningless with Auto ISO: just ignore them.
>> 
>> Herbert Kanner
>> kanner at acm.org
>> 650-326-8204
>> 
>> Question authority and the authorities will question you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Replies: Reply from steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour) ([Leica] Auto ISO)
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