Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/07/03

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Subject: [Leica] Re; Politically Incorrect terminology
From: images at comporium.net (Tina Manley)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 17:37:09 -0400
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The only problem I have with the way se?orita is used on the LUG is that it
only refers to young, beautiful women - never overweight, ordinary, or
plain women.  None of the women in Jim Shulman's fantastic photos are ever
referred to as se?oritas!  Se?orita is a perfectly valid Spanish
description of a young woman - every young woman.

(Se?ora) Tina


On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 5:27 PM, George Lottermoser <imagist3 at mac.com> 
wrote:

>
> On Jul 3, 2013, at 4:11 PM, Steve Barbour wrote:
>
> >
> > On Jul 3, 2013, at 1:59 PM, lrzeitlin at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> I've been a semi-invalid for the last week recovering from cancer
> surgery and I've found the last few editions of the LUG to be a good
> substitute for "War of the Sexes." They take out the stiches in a few days
> and I should be back to my usual acerbic self.
> >>
> >>
> >> I personally am appalled at the cultural insensitivity to sexist
> terminology exhibited by many male LUG members. Despite the fact that some
> of us disagree with Tina's excessive regard for Leica equipment, we don't
> refer to her as a senorita...
> >
> >
> > I have to agree that the way senorita is used here on the LUG, I find to
> be disrespectful to women, condescending, demeaning, and
> >
> > ultimately sexist. We don't refer to young men by the equivalent.
> >
> > If one of my daughters were photographed  by a LUG member and described
> in these terms, that young lady would certainly not be
> >
> > happy, and neither would her father.
>
> wow. do neither of you feel or understand the appreciation in the use of
> the word "se?orita" on the LUG?
> I certainly would not feel offended by someone referring to my daughter,
> or a photograph of my daughter, as "beautiful young woman."
>
> I certainly understand language and when language is misused.
> Se?orita,
> young woman,
> young women,
> girl (when used for females under 12 or 13),
> les jeunes femmes,
> junge frauen, fr?ulein
> do not qualify as sexist
> in my lexicon
>
> are we to refer to men and women as "persons" (never mention gender or
> age)?
>
> Regards,
> George Lottermoser
> george at imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com/blog
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>
>
>
>
>
>
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-- 
Tina Manley
http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com


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