Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/06/27

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Subject: [Leica] AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!
From: henningw at archiphoto.com (Henning Wulff)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:53:45 -0700
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Doesn't have to be like a Leica. Just that if you REALLY like shooting with 
a Leica (shooting, not wearing) then there isn't anything else out there.

Shooting with Leicas is rangefinder viewing and manual focussing and simple 
controls that work well. There are a number of things I don't like about 
current Leicas, starting with the price, but there is nothing else out 
there. 

The Fujis have a lot of things going for them, but they don't handle and 
shoot like a Leica, and that's an important distinction to me. Believe me, 
it doesn't have to be a 'Leica' branded object, but the other players have 
long faded away.

I know you want AF, so Leica M's are a non-starter for you. That's fine, and 
therefore the Fujis are a lot more attractive to you, plus they are more 
versatile as well out of the box with the hybrid finder. 

If my eyes couldn't handle a coincidence rangefinder tomorrow, a lot of 
Leica stuff would be for sale the day after.

For most people P&S or phone cameras make the most sense, because they don't 
want another thing to carry, and certainly don't want to fiddle with 
'controls'. That's very well for them, and the (b)millions of pictures that 
are produced daily, some of them very good, are a testament to their 
viability.

On this list we like to have more control over our photography, and being a 
manual focus, mostly fixed focal length lens system camera, the Leica M has 
a lot of appeal in that direction.

That doesn't make it more kosher, correct or viable than any other system. 
But it is a choice that some on this list have made.

Henning


On 2013-06-26, at 8:26 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote:

> Henning,
> The point I do not understand in this whole ramble is:
> 
> Why should anything be like a Leica for it to be kosher?
> 
> Use systems for what they are, and choose those that suit for the
> photography that one does. That is it. Why complicate things further? What
> is the point in beating ourselves for systems/features/film that are not
> available any more, for whatever reason (and whatever price)?
> 
> Cheers
> Jayanand
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Henning Wulff <henningw at 
> archiphoto.com>wrote:
> 
>> I have to agree with the general tone of other posters. For now at least,
>> get a Fuji with normal and/or wide lens, and an adapter. Then, after a 
>> bit,
>> decided whether that combination does it for you or you want to look for 
>> an
>> M9. They're hardly cheap yet, but getting better.
>> 
>> I've tried the Fuji Pro-1, and like it although it doesn't really work
>> like an M, but it does work and produces really nice files. I know a 
>> number
>> of people here who have the Fujis and have also had or have Leicas, and 
>> the
>> consensus seems to be that the Fujis are the cameras that are closest in
>> operational intent and feel to Leicas. SLR's aren't. m4/3's aren't. I like
>> the Olympus OM-D, but for the most part it does the job of an SLR for me
>> (long lenses, zooms, macro) and the Leicas do the main stuff. I think the
>> Fuji's are the best alternate for that.
>> 
>> Henning
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2013-06-24, at 5:56 PM, RicCarter <ric at cartersxrd.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Just suffered another shutter death on an M8
>>> 
>>> Completely shitty day
>>> 
>>> came home to find internet dead--service tomorrow maybe--running off
>> iphone connection
>>> 
>>> at complete loss as to what to do digitally for now
>>> 
>>> was hoping M9 would be affordable when M arrived--but...
>>> 
>>> no desire to go to film again
>>> 
>>> frustrated as hell
>>> 
>>> thoughts on solutions short and long?
>>> 
>>> ric
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> Henning Wulff
>> henningw at archiphoto.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Henning Wulff
henningw at archiphoto.com






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