Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/05/27
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Before a Leica M6 was thought to be a high priced rarified item but Leica was getting a grand for it same as Nikon and Canon were getting for their flagship cameras but Nikon and canon was making 100 times more of them. And probably getting a higher return on each one. So Leica hung on by a thread. Kaufman when he bought the company and with his experienced perspective on the market. knew that if Leica was going to make a premium product in small amounts he was going to have to really change a premium price for it. And Not change the same and call it premium because I was low tech for the same money. So that's what he did. And it worked. Leica is in the black. And its heading in a good direction. I feel strongly by the end of next year it will be seen in an entirely different light than it is now. On 5/27/13 4:17 AM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > A problem with our opinions of the higher Leica pricing what that seven > grand usd has got us. It got us an M8 or M9 which was not embraced but the > top people who'd been shooting before with M6's. Most of those went on to > shoot DSLR's. So it got us gear which was of limited success. > So for the most part digital Leica has been practiced by rich guys we'd > never heard of; and whose results we're never going to see. If they > actually used the cameras to any effect. Present company of course > excepted. > > I think at least now finally for our seven grand we're going to be in > better > company. We'll be in the company of top people who spent the money on this > rarified stuff, the M240 and Monochrome and then went out and did notable > work with it. Like before with our M6,7,and P's. Work we're now seeing in > top magazines, newspapers and catalogs. > And that will make us feel better about the percentage of our body of > wealth > that we've put into this gear. > And of course we'll be able to see the results we're getting with this gear > ourselves. > > Nobodies going to be calling it jewelry. > The collective body of work done with the new digital bodies will be a > matter of public record. > > > On 5/27/13 3:41 AM, "Frank Dernie" <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com> wrote: > >> Spot on Mark. The idea that Leica has -suddenly- become a "boutique" >> brand, >> labelled thus to insult it, is wrong. Lots of people have believed that >> for >> decades, and lots of users have always felt the results justified the >> price. >> >> Personally, I think the prices, here in the UK, are reasonable for the >> small >> production volume and high quality. >> It seems they can charge far more in certain aspirational and growing >> markets >> so it makes sound business sense to supply them first, both from a market >> growth and a margin perspective. >> In Europe there is a dwindling market, not least due to a steady decline >> in >> prosperity (which I see no sign of changing, personally). >> In the USA people are very price sensitive - suppliers generally sell at >> the >> lowest prices in the USA to get business. I haven't looked lately but I >> was >> certainly surprised to see that a Porsche was cheaper in California than >> Stuttgart and a Nikon cheaper in New York than Tokyo. >> Why wouldn't Leica supply their most enthusiastic market first and the >> wingeing cheapskates later ;-) >> >>> From a personal perspective I have been disappointed not to get my M yet, >>> particularly when I got my hopes up when Henning received his. >> >> I have been dithering about cancelling my order simply because the M9 is >> fantastic, and the extra features of the M may well be adequately served >> for >> my purposes by the Fuji X-Pro1. >> OTOH despite much considering doing so, and being disappointed, I haven't >> actually gone as far as to cancel the order yet... >> FD >> >> >> On 27 May, 2013, at 06:41, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: >> >>> When thing we know we're going to get from a new camera from Leica. >>> Its going to cost a lot more than we'd prefer it to cost. >>> That really goes without saying. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > -- Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/