Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/04/11
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Sorry to come late to dinner. "Limited edition" can have more than one meaning. Some galleries and artists have a written, legal document, signed by all parties (artist, his estate, gallerist & buyer) explaining exactly what is being purchased, by whom, transfer rights, etc... This is all getting more complicated when the end product is itself a digital production. Agreements can cover responsibility for archiving images or intermediate materials, negatives, color separations and print (or end product) replacements, reproduction rights, etc... I think the discussion we are having here needs to be reconfigured for the digital age. Just consider that, for digital media, all parties are in a position to launch their own scams or deceits. Everyone can reproduce everything. Throw into the mix appropriated works and you can see we are heading into a murky time where our notions of what's fair or who owns what will have to change. Here's a website by a photographer who simply copies and arranges stuff he finds on the net: http://www.theseamericans.com/ -Lew Schwartz On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > I guess if they were for some reason not numbered which I think they > normally are and there is normally documentation as to how many of every > kind of print is in an edition. So this would seem to be a bit tricky to > pull off. And I doubt its common and or done by anybody anybodies ever > heard > of . > > > On 4/10/13 9:26 PM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote: > > > The AP "scam" is when a photographer "runs out" of limited edition, and > > then continues to make "Artist Proof" after the fact so they can continue > > to sell them. Not very ethical at best if they are limited edition and if > > the proof really is every other way the same as the earlier limited > prints. > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> > wrote: > > > >> The thing says they often say "AP" on them. > >> Are for the "personal use" of the artist. > >> But end up getting sold for more money than the regular edition. > >> Its been going on for century's so its really not a scam. But a known > and > >> accepted way of doing the business of art. > >> > >> > >> On 4/9/13 7:32 PM, "Lottermoser George" <imagist3 at mac.com> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> On Apr 9, 2013, at 12:40 PM, Bill Pearce wrote: > >>> > >>>> We haven't gotten to the other piece of the limited edition scam: The > >>>> Artist's proof. I've seen instances where after a limited edition is > >> sold > >>>> out, a flood of AP's appears. Seems like another way to get more blood > >> from > >>>> the turnip. > >>> > >>> Generally, in the case of printmakers with integrity, > >>> The Artist's Proofs are made first - leading up to the edition - > >>> used to determine how an edition may be printed. > >>> > >>> I've printed very few "Editions." > >>> Most all of my prints are "Artist's Proofs" > >>> and numbered as such with roman numerals. > >>> > >>> It would be fairly normal, if a "Limited Edition" were to sell out > >>> for a printmaker to also make available "Artist's Proofs" > >>> which he or she considers worthy of their name. > >>> > >>> Whether it's a "Scam" or not really depends on the integrity of the > >>> printmaker. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> George Lottermoser > >>> george at imagist.com > >>> http://www.imagist.com > >>> http://www.imagist.com/blog > >>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Mark William Rabiner > >> Photography > >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >