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Subject: [Leica] Untitled
From: foto at marcdufour.net (Marc Dufour)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 17:33:36 +0100
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Geoff,

Things are often simple: 
Leica has not been able to produce a digital R design in time. 
And today, there are thousands R lenses, adapted to Nikon, Canon, etc. 
bodies.
Not a problem for you, you're an M bodies user, aren't you?

Cheers,
Marc

-----Mensaje original-----
De: lug-bounces+foto=marcdufour.net at leica-users.org 
[mailto:lug-bounces+foto=marcdufour.net at leica-users.org] En nombre de 
Geoff
Hopkinson
Enviado el: martes, 15 de enero de 2013 14:55
Para: Leica Users Group
Asunto: Re: [Leica] Untitled

Mark that sounds pretty overblown to me. The R system stopped production 
because not enough people bought what was offered, not
because Leica Camera disregarded thousands of long time R lenses users and 
lovers.
The DMR story is pretty well known I think. In the end there were a couple 
of thousand in total actually sold. How many are still in
service I don't know.  I admire the enthusiasm and dedication of people like 
Doug or Charlie who still produce great work with
theirs but they were ,even when new, a minority of Leica Camera's own small 
part of the market.
The R10 cancellation too is a well known story. Again the assessment was 
that there were just not enough potential customers.
The M system is the reason that Leica Camera has survived and now has 
improving fortunes.  Shortly there is to be an adapter that
will allow the owners of those R lenses to use them again with a new camera 
that will be both much cheaper than the R 10 was to be ,
in full frame and with a modern sensor and added functionality. I don't 
think that you have been abandoned nor betrayed.

*If you want to take more interesting pictures, stand in front of more 
interesting stuff* -- Joe McNally

Cheers
Geoff
http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman


On 15 January 2013 18:48, Marc Dufour <foto at marcdufour.net> wrote:

> Even with just half a brain, it's easy to verify Leica has disregarded 
> thousands of long time R lenses users and lovers.
> It was much more than a small but solid market, and still appreciates 
> these lenses, but doesn't care the present company, nor its future
>
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: lug-bounces+foto=marcdufour.net at leica-users.org [mailto:
> lug-bounces+foto=marcdufour.net at leica-users.org] En nombre de Mark
> Rabiner
> Enviado el: martes, 15 de enero de 2013 5:11
> Para: Leica Users Group
> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Untitled
>
> I don't think Leica has destroyed anything or lost anything it was 
> obvious to anybody with half a brain that the transition to digital 
> for a company like Leica was not going to be smooth. Its first outs 
> did not have the luck of the Irish behind them it could have gone 
> better but it just didn't.  I think with the introduction of the 
> Digital M and Monochrom Leica is solidly back on track and will win 
> back its small but solid market slice just like it had in the 1980's 
> and 90's.
> The Leica name is as  str0ng as ever (brand) they are making money 
> hand over fist making cameras as fast as they can and doing what 
> appears to be solid Research and development. Then years ago they were 
> being spoken of in the past tense. I'm looking forward to getting by M 
> glass back going in the very near future  and I doubt I'm the only one 
> in that situation.
>
> By the way to those who complain about how new lenses have gone 
> through the roof. You can still buy used Leica glass from the 90's, 
> 80's, 70's, 60's, 40's maybe even 30's with range of price points 
> matching up with a range of quality levels.
>
>
> On 1/13/13 9:45 AM, "Marc Dufour" <foto at marcdufour.net> wrote:
>
> > Leica has destroyed in few years a well-deserved prestige and lost 
> > the confidence of the most demanding photographers.
> > Almost a century of the best craftsmanship just wasted... by stupid 
> > businessmen. Time to recover other values?
> >
> > Merci pour ton commentaire!
> > Et amiti?s,
> > Marc
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photography
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>
>
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