Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/01/15

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Subject: [Leica] Untitled
From: hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 23:58:57 +1000
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That was intended in response to Marc, sorry, not Mark. My fault for not
observing what spell check did.

*If you want to take more interesting pictures,
stand in front of more interesting stuff* -- Joe McNally

Cheers
Geoff
http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman


On 15 January 2013 23:55, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mark that sounds pretty overblown to me. The R system stopped production
> because not enough people bought what was offered, not because Leica
> Camera disregarded thousands of long time R lenses users and lovers.
> The DMR story is pretty well known I think. In the end there were a couple
> of thousand in total actually sold. How many are still in service I don't
> know.  I admire the enthusiasm and dedication of people like Doug or
> Charlie who still produce great work with theirs but they were ,even when
> new, a minority of Leica Camera's own small part of the market.
> The R10 cancellation too is a well known story. Again the assessment was
> that there were just not enough potential customers.
> The M system is the reason that Leica Camera has survived and now has
> improving fortunes.  Shortly there is to be an adapter that will allow the
> owners of those R lenses to use them again with a new camera that will be
> both much cheaper than the R 10 was to be , in full frame and with a modern
> sensor and added functionality. I don't think that you have been abandoned
> nor betrayed.
>
> *If you want to take more interesting pictures,
> stand in front of more interesting stuff* -- Joe McNally
>
> Cheers
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>
>
> On 15 January 2013 18:48, Marc Dufour <foto at marcdufour.net> wrote:
>
>> Even with just half a brain, it's easy to verify Leica has disregarded
>> thousands of long time R lenses users and lovers.
>> It was much more than a small but solid market, and still appreciates
>> these lenses, but doesn't care the present company, nor its
>> future
>>
>>
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: lug-bounces+foto=marcdufour.net at leica-users.org [mailto:
>> lug-bounces+foto=marcdufour.net at leica-users.org] En nombre de Mark
>> Rabiner
>> Enviado el: martes, 15 de enero de 2013 5:11
>> Para: Leica Users Group
>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Untitled
>>
>> I don't think Leica has destroyed anything or lost anything it was
>> obvious to anybody with half a brain that the transition to
>> digital for a company like Leica was not going to be smooth. Its first
>> outs did not have the luck of the Irish behind them it could
>> have gone better but it just didn't.  I think with the introduction of
>> the Digital M and Monochrom Leica is solidly back on track
>> and will win back its small but solid market slice just like it had in
>> the 1980's and 90's.
>> The Leica name is as  str0ng as ever (brand) they are making money hand
>> over fist making cameras as fast as they can and doing what
>> appears to be solid Research and development. Then years ago they were
>> being spoken of in the past tense. I'm looking forward to
>> getting by M glass back going in the very near future  and I doubt I'm
>> the only one in that situation.
>>
>> By the way to those who complain about how new lenses have gone through
>> the roof. You can still buy used Leica glass from the 90's,
>> 80's, 70's, 60's, 40's maybe even 30's with range of price points
>> matching up with a range of quality levels.
>>
>>
>> On 1/13/13 9:45 AM, "Marc Dufour" <foto at marcdufour.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Leica has destroyed in few years a well-deserved prestige and lost the
>> > confidence of the most demanding photographers.
>> > Almost a century of the best craftsmanship just wasted... by stupid
>> > businessmen. Time to recover other values?
>> >
>> > Merci pour ton commentaire!
>> > Et amiti?s,
>> > Marc
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mark William Rabiner
>> Photography
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>
>>
>>
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Replies: Reply from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] Untitled)
In reply to: Message from foto at marcdufour.net (Marc Dufour) ([Leica] Untitled)
Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] Untitled)
Message from foto at marcdufour.net (Marc Dufour) ([Leica] Untitled)
Message from hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson) ([Leica] Untitled)