Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/12/09
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]And the reason they preferred State first and the union second was so they could continue their system based on slavery. Also no one gives a rats ass if their "perspective" was of one of a long term agreement concerning slavery being broached. I certainly hope there feelings were not hurt. Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > From: Don Dory <don.dory at gmail.com> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 19:15:30 -0500 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Desensitization > > Ric, while slavery was the proximate cause of the war, most of the response > was the truly great debate about the nature of the union. Many in the > Southern States truly believed in the State first and the union second. > Lee is the perfect example of one who abhorred slavery but so loved his > Virginia that he declined the honor of leading the Union Armies in the > invasion of Virginia. > > Of course political power and the wealth that flowed from that had a lot to > do with the ultimate war. With Lincoln as president there was no doubt > that the new states joining the union would be free states that would > ultimately change the balance of power in the Senate and the House. If you > were wealthy in the South, in no small part due to slavery, then the idea > that the industrial northern states combined with the new states in the > west could take your wealth away was worth the expenditure of thousands of > lives. Of course not their own. I say that, but if you visit the > University of Virginia you will see that most of the classes near the Civil > War died in the war: if you could go to the University you were part of the > ruling class. > > > On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Don Dory <don.dory at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Ken, I just had a good friend tour the Blues sites in Mississippi near >> Greenwood. Most are still there in all their grubby glory. The Delta is >> a >> place of great poverty with pockets of vast wealth. Good ingredients for >> the Blues. Most of the worst poverty is invisible now. It doesn't mean >> that it isn't there but it is poor politics to have rows of shotgun shacks >> with no running water and no interior toilet facilities visible from the >> road. >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Don Dory <don.dory at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I knew that term would draw fire. Many residents of the Southeastern >>> U.S. use that term as from their perspective the Northern States violated >>> the long term agreement about slavery. It is important when moving >>> between >>> cultures to understand their perspective on how things happened and more >>> important the why. Whether it fits the facts on the ground the personal >>> reality is the sum of the society, it's myths, dreams, and the >>> origination >>> stories that culture tells itself. >>> >>> As to the American Civil War as most know the conflict of the early to >>> mid 1860's it was eighty years in the making more or less and proof that >>> even know horrendous human undertakings require just as horrendous a >>> response to change. My opinion is that is why change is so hard, the >>> price >>> of change is often as horrendous as the objected to activity. Consider >>> the >>> Second World War, we remember the Holocaust as 6 million Jews, Gypsies, >>> and >>> mental defectives being slaughtered but it took the lives of some 20 >>> million Russians, 12 million Germans, half a million French citizens, >>> half >>> a million Americans, almost 600,000 Poles. I could go on but certainly a >>> very high price to resolve European issues starting in 1914. >>> >>> As to the question of the pictures, if you browse the images of the Civil >>> War there are a few still available of the "hospitals" where the only >>> known >>> treatment for 58 caliber bullets smashing bone and flesh was amputation; >>> hence the piles of arms and legs. The United States suffered more deaths >>> and injuries during the Civil War than it did in any other conflict: new >>> estimates are at 750,000 casualties. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I love the South and would miss it terribly. There are plenty of us who >>>> don't fly Confederate flags, support Obama, vote Democratic, and don't >>>> stereotype others. >>>> >>>> Tina >>>> >>>> On Sunday, December 9, 2012, Bill Pearce <billcpearce at cox.net> wrote: >>>>> Usually pronounced Wah uv Nawthen Agression, this is the term that >>>> residents of the US South (Sore Loosers) use to describe the American >>>> Civil >>>> War. These can be, but not always are the same people that have large >>>> Confederate flag decals on their pickup trucks. It is an inaccurate >>>> description. President Lincoln was brilliant and far seeing, and >>>> realized >>>> that if this succession was to become fact, there would be no end, and >>>> what >>>> is the USA would become a hodgepodge of tiny nations led by who knows >>>> what. >>>> There are many of us, however, who wouldn't miss the south a bit. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: philippe.amard >>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 5:10 PM >>>>> To: Leica Users Group >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Desensitization >>>>> >>>>> could it be Vietnam? >>>>> ph >>>>> >>>>> Le 9 d?c. 12 ? 23:39, Douglas Barry a ?crit : >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Don Dory" <don.dory at gmail.com> wrote >>>>>>> >>>>>>> nasty deaths from smallpox and ebola. Or consider the images from >>>> the >>>> War >>>>>>> of Northern Aggression where there were stacks of limbs outside the >>>> medical >>>>>>> tents. >>>>>> >>>>>> Don, as an Irishman living in Ireland and unfamiliar with many terms >>>> used in the States, what was the War of Northern Aggression? Do you >>>> mean >>>> the Korean War? I never saw those images. >>>>>> >>>>>> I presume you don't mean the American Civil War as I thought that >>>> started with the Confederacy attacking Fort Sumter? Well it did >>>> according >>>> to all those school history books (European) I read 50 years ago. >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe school books are different in the USA.... >>>>>> >>>>>> Douglas >>>>>> _________ >>>>>> Douglas Barry >>>>>> Bray, Co. Wicklow >>>>>> Republic of Ireland >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tina Manley, ASMP >>>> www.tinamanley.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Don >>> don.dory at gmail.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Don >> don.dory at gmail.com >> > > > > -- > Don > don.dory at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information