Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/12/01
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I would hope that it would go without saying that we few we brave people on the Leica list have mainly positive and hopeful thoughts about Leica and where it is headed. Was I 8 years ago that Leica (and Apple) were being talked of in the past tense but just about everybody even most here? It was a forgone conclusion that it was over for both these companies and anyone who said otherwise was living in a dream world. I gotta say I was lucky in picking winners at that time I never for a second it was over for Leica and or Apple. And it appears at that time I guess right. I picked the right horse. And it was the horse I was sitting on. I do think when you are sitting on a horse it would be bad vibes to not be betting on it. Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > From: jon streeter <jon.streeter at cox.net> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 12:40:40 -0800 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use > > Time will tell. Shall we set a date and start a LUG pool? > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use > Date: Sat, Dec 1, 2012 11:59 am > > > I agree Frank the M8 and 9 were a great thing for Leica and a success from > many angles. Has kept them in the game and selling lenses and making a > profit. They only area it has been less successful is its market has not > included top visible pros so they were forced to do some deal with Magnum > to > pay them to use the gear and it was an awkward PR move. > As I said I am hoping and I do believe it will be true that the Digital M > with its CMOS sensor and ability to match current DSLR'S in iso range and > everything else will change that. We'll see like in the 1990s a fair amount > of top shooters using them. One in every pack. As it stands now we are not > seeing a fair amount of top shooters using them not present company > excluded. So that will be nice when that is no longer the case. > > Leica has always depended on the fact that though it may be called > antiquated by the madding masses it has been the whole time used by a > select > group of very top pros and very top amateurs. But the m8 m9 era did not > include this. > > I am excited about the New Leica Digital numberless M and where Leica is > headed. > > By the way I've not heard anything about the S system not working out in > any > way. I think its way too early to tell and all signs point to its taking > over the modern photo universe and leaving no prisoners. I think it will > significantly edge into the Fuji Hasselblad medium format world. As seen > when we watched Steve McCurry shoot in Rio the babes and interesting women. > > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > >> From: Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 09:25:16 +0000 >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use >> >> The digital Leica Ms have been a fantastic success for Leica. They have >> been >> in great demand, with months of waiting lists and the increase in demand >> has >> doubled the used value of some of the lenses. >> The thing that has been a massive failure for Leica has been their reflex >> cameras. However good they are they have never sold in sufficient >> quantity to >> recoup design, development and tooling costs. Being loyal to their R >> customers >> nearly bankrupted the company, so they were absolutely right >> (disappointingly) >> to eventually drop the R. >> In the quantities a Leica reflex is likely to sell the S2 is perhaps a >> good >> choice. Dearer to develop and make than a 36x24 DSLR, but probably not by >> much, yet possible by virtue of the cache of its bigger sensor to sell at >> a >> price which gives half a chance of washing its face financially. I hope >> they >> sell sufficient of them. >> The Nikon F was a watershed camera. It has a massively crude mirror and >> shutter assembly but, guess what, nobody cared and it was solid and >> relatively >> inexpensive with excellent lenses. It changed everything. >> FD >> >> On 30 Nov, 2012, at 22:51, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: >> >>> Leica distanced itself from its large loyal fan base in 1963 after the >>> Nikon >>> F took over in very few years after that it was a niche market which >>> appealed to connoisseurs. >>> Its had 50 years expense in not being on the top of the market but the >>> bottom. Of the mass market that is. Its fairly happy being where it was. >>> Problem was with the non total success of the digital M's it went lower. >>> Now I think with the digital numberless M its back to where it was in the >>> 90's. Very small but very much there. >>> >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> Photography >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information