Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/12/01
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Time will tell. Shall we set a date and start a LUG pool? Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> Subject: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use Date: Sat, Dec 1, 2012 11:59 am I agree Frank the M8 and 9 were a great thing for Leica and a success from many angles. Has kept them in the game and selling lenses and making a profit. They only area it has been less successful is its market has not included top visible pros so they were forced to do some deal with Magnum to pay them to use the gear and it was an awkward PR move. As I said I am hoping and I do believe it will be true that the Digital M with its CMOS sensor and ability to match current DSLR'S in iso range and everything else will change that. We'll see like in the 1990s a fair amount of top shooters using them. One in every pack. As it stands now we are not seeing a fair amount of top shooters using them not present company excluded. So that will be nice when that is no longer the case. Leica has always depended on the fact that though it may be called antiquated by the madding masses it has been the whole time used by a select group of very top pros and very top amateurs. But the m8 m9 era did not include this. I am excited about the New Leica Digital numberless M and where Leica is headed. By the way I've not heard anything about the S system not working out in any way. I think its way too early to tell and all signs point to its taking over the modern photo universe and leaving no prisoners. I think it will significantly edge into the Fuji Hasselblad medium format world. As seen when we watched Steve McCurry shoot in Rio the babes and interesting women. Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > From: Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 09:25:16 +0000 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use > > The digital Leica Ms have been a fantastic success for Leica. They have > been > in great demand, with months of waiting lists and the increase in demand > has > doubled the used value of some of the lenses. > The thing that has been a massive failure for Leica has been their reflex > cameras. However good they are they have never sold in sufficient quantity > to > recoup design, development and tooling costs. Being loyal to their R > customers > nearly bankrupted the company, so they were absolutely right > (disappointingly) > to eventually drop the R. > In the quantities a Leica reflex is likely to sell the S2 is perhaps a good > choice. Dearer to develop and make than a 36x24 DSLR, but probably not by > much, yet possible by virtue of the cache of its bigger sensor to sell at a > price which gives half a chance of washing its face financially. I hope > they > sell sufficient of them. > The Nikon F was a watershed camera. It has a massively crude mirror and > shutter assembly but, guess what, nobody cared and it was solid and > relatively > inexpensive with excellent lenses. It changed everything. > FD > > On 30 Nov, 2012, at 22:51, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > >> Leica distanced itself from its large loyal fan base in 1963 after the >> Nikon >> F took over in very few years after that it was a niche market which >> appealed to connoisseurs. >> Its had 50 years expense in not being on the top of the market but the >> bottom. Of the mass market that is. Its fairly happy being where it was. >> Problem was with the non total success of the digital M's it went lower. >> Now I think with the digital numberless M its back to where it was in the >> 90's. Very small but very much there. >> >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photography >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information