[Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use

[photo.forrest at earthlink.net (Phil Forrest)]

So you just want to hear your opinion on the LUG regardless of its
voracity then, right? 

I still shoot a Leica M4, so can I stay? I'm just not a sycophant of
the marque in lieu of their recent digital M offerings. But then again,
I have owned them and used them for just over three years between the
two bodies (used them when they weren't out for repair) so experience
with equipment one has used daily may have a little more agency on this
matter than another opinion from someone who has read a lot about a
camera and fondled it a bit.

Phil Forrest



On Sat, 01 Dec 2012 00:56:46 -0500
Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

> Such an all inclusively withering ideal of what Leica is all about
> certainly explains a presence on a Leica list. I think the term is
> "troll". Perhaps the rules on the lug should be tightened to people
> who may not own a Leica but would like to one day.  And not to people
> who have never owned a Leica and am glad of it.
> And that of course is exceedingly loose.
> We really do get from a few people on the lug the ideal expounded
> that the last place in a million years they'd ever waste their money
> would be in Leica gear I'll go down in declaring my opinion they
> should be freed to go elsewhere. Or as the title of a book I enjoyed
> reading a while back: ?It Would Be So Nice If You Weren?t Here?
> (Charles Grodin)
> 
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photography
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> 
> 
> > From: Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com>
> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 15:18:40 +1000
> > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use
> > 
> > Jayanand, people that chose to buy Leica are clueless!!??
> > I dispute your 'simple fact' that none of us are their target
> > market either. Where is this analysis about oligarchs that keep the
> > company in the black?
> > 
> > Those are silly characterisations, generalisations or recycled
> > internet chatter absent supporting facts.
> > Never mind, another cycle of threads has begun. Have at it again..
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Geoff
> > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 1 December 2012 12:10, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> Phil, Douglas,
> >> As someone with over 35 years experience of analyzing company
> >> behaviour, I would say that none of us represent the market that
> >> Leica are targeting nowadays. Simple fact. I am not saying what
> >> they are doing is wrong, in fact I think their focus is absolutely
> >> right. Do you think they can survive on what we all collectively
> >> buy new every year? No, it is the oligarchs that keep the company
> >> in the black - be grateful for the clueless. In that sort of
> >> luxury market, unfortunately, the end sale prices are directly
> >> related to what the market will bear, and not to the costs
> >> involved. With their finite resources, I doubt that they can
> >> handle the costs of R&D and marketing in too many different
> >> niches. Cheers Jayanand
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
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