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Subject: [Leica] PESO: sharpness is a bourgeois concept
From: jon.streeter at cox.net (jon.streeter)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 23:22:57 -0800

As the great Alfred E. Neuman said:  "Even castanets don't click every 
time." There are so many things that can go wrong with a photograph, 
sometimes it seems a wonder there are any that turn out right at all.  

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: [Leica] PESO: sharpness is a bourgeois concept
Date: Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:23 pm


I don't know about  sharpness being a bourgeois concept.
I do think not thinking that sharpness is an important issue means you 've
got your head up your ass.
In purely a photographic context of course.

I posted a shot the other day which is very much not sharp.
But its rare for me.

http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/fallrabs/071104_201619.jpg.html
Or
http://tinyurl.com/bhyrvwm

Mark William Rabiner
Photography
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/


> From: Ken Iisaka <ken at iisaka.com>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 12:40:02 -0800
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] PESO: sharpness is a bourgeois concept
> 
> I am with Frank, personally.
> 
> After a shoot, I go through them on Lightroom, and if it's not sharp,
> relevant, or otherwise bothersome, they don't get a single star. If they
> are at least interesting, they get a star. Every iteration, the duds are
> weeded out, and only a very few get 5 stars.
> 
> Yet, I find this image quite compelling. The blurriness of the subjects is
> primarily due to the slow shutter, not from inaccurate focus or camera
> shake. In addition, the rain between the subjects and the camera create
> additional blurriness.
> 
> Nicely done.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Frank Filippone <red735i at 
> verizon.net>wrote:
> 
>> A Different point of view......
>> 
>> I like Nathan's image.  It has character, mystique, etc.
>> 
>> In my world, and YMMV, if it is not sharp, it gets tossed.  First pass.  I
>> don't care what the subject, what the feeling, etc.  Not sharp = Out.
>> 
>> I did some IR pictures with my M8 a while back... that look of softness,
>> foggy softness, bothered me a lot.  I did keep the images, but they bother
>> me because they are not tack sharp.
>> 
>> I know in this Group, sharpness is not always esteemed as being the #1
>> criteria, and so be it.  Your photos are yours.  Mine are mine.  We agree
>> to
>> have differing
>> criteria of acceptance.
>> 
>> Yes, if the shutter button is not pressed, the image is nonexistent.
>> But sometimes, existent images should not .... exist.
>> 
>> My opinion... and nothing to do with Nathan's shot....
>> 
>> Frank Filippone
>> Red735i at verizon.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The lesson? Maybe none, but I think it is something along the lines of
>> "just
>> take the damn picture"!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Ken Iisaka
> first name at last name dot org or com
> 
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