Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/10/18
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Try this to eliminate problems in scanning..... Take a neg or 2 and scan them. Then TURN THE NEGS AROUND....so that frame 1 which was at the bottom, is now at the top... you get the idea? If the problem is scanner planarity, then the results will follow the location of the film not the image #. You said the results at F11 or 16 are worse.. define worse..... Try my trick with the scanner on the camera back... invert it. So now the right is on the left, and the left is on the right. What results do you get? Did someone teach you to feel for the standards to be in the zero position, rather than reading any sort of markers? I still feel it is either something so basic in what you are doing that we are all missing it, or the camera roll film back is to blame.... And believe me, we should all have heard every mistake possible.... Frank Filippone Red735i at verizon.net -----Original Message----- From: lug-bounces+red735i=verizon.net at leica-users.org [mailto:lug-bounces+red735i=verizon.net at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Richard Man Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:10 PM To: Leica Users Group Subject: Re: [Leica] THE 617 tests, something is very wrong here Correct - I am using the Epson 3200 for now. I couldn't get the Nikon LS-9000 to work well for stitching (and it does take forever). Since all 3 lens produce not so stellar results, this obviously mean a user error somewhere (unless it's the film back), so one more test today.... On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > An inspiring set up!! Gorgeous camera. Respectable tripod. I like how > they make dark cloths which are white on the outside now and have elastic. > Perhaps if you scanned some of your results and posted them it would > be a help. > I always focus wide open and then stopped way down. With the excepting > of my Halloween project in which I had to shoot wide open a thing I > didn't think with possible. > A Fujinon 210 lens. > > http://rabinergroup.com/Catagorypages/Halloween2001.html > > Are you really planning on scanning each image you make twice and > stitching them together? To me that sounds totally insane I know I'd > go nuts in a week and I do think its ill advised what's the point of > shooting once pieces of film you may as well be making two separate > exposures. I would put it on a good Epson flat bed and scan it at full > rez I'm sure the results would be excellent in a non huge print. If > you even need a huge print for a gallery wall then have them make a > drum scan. > > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> > > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > > Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:18:46 -0700 > > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] THE 617 tests, something is very wrong here > > > > I do, As I said in the "Mr. Photography Man" thread: > > > > Welll..... just so it happens that my wife saw me earlier doing the > > tests out in the driveway, and she thought I look "so cute" that she > > took a few > > photos: > > > > http://richardmanphoto.com/PICS/20121017-_A173306.jpg > > > > http://richardmanphoto.com/PICS/20121017-_A173312.jpg > > > > > > ... 6x loupe and a cable release > > > > It has to be a user error somewhere... > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Mark Rabiner > > <mark at rabinergroup.com> > wrote: > > > >> By the way you have a loupe and a darkcloth? > >> > >> Mark William Rabiner > >> > >> > >>> From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> > >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >>> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:28:07 -0400 > >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] THE 617 tests, something is very wrong here > >>> > >>> The old definition of a photo assistant is something who knows how > >>> to > >> load a > >>> Hasselblad back. > >>> The new one is one who can teach the photographer they work for > >>> how to > >> do it > >>> right. > >>> Much of this photography thing is self evident and you just figure > >>> it > >> out. > >>> But much of it its really good to have a face to face real world > >>> peer > >> group > >>> to show you stuff. A workshop; a class. > >>> > >>> Mark William Rabiner > >>> Photography > >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > >>> > >>> > >>>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> > >>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >>>> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 11:27:58 -0700 > >>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] THE 617 tests, something is very wrong here > >>>> > >>>> Ha ha, I never did that one, but on the Hassy, I did load the > >>>> film > >> backward > >>>> once or twice - so no film images! > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Mark Rabiner > >>>> <mark at rabinergroup.com > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I loaded my Hasselblad backs wrong the first few years I used > >>>>> them. I didn't put them under the tab but let the film just rest > >>>>> over the tab. So > I'd > >> got > >>>>> the left edge soft and felt like I had to shoot everything way > stopped > >>>>> down. > >>>>> I finally learned my lesson from an assistant. Should have > >>>>> gotten the > >> Ernst > >>>>> Wildi book straight on. > >>>>> > >>>>> Mark William Rabiner > >>>>> Photography > >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> > >>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >>>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 04:30:49 -0700 > >>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >>>>>> Subject: [Leica] THE 617 tests, something is very wrong here > >>>>>> > >>>>>> First the caveat, these are "high" resolution scan from the > >>>>>> Epson > >> 3200, > >>>>> not > >>>>>> my usual Nikon LS-9000, but trust me on this, the results don't > >>>>>> look > >> that > >>>>>> different. I'm having trouble getting the LS-9000 to scan the > >>>>>> two > >> halves > >>>>>> correctly sfor stitching so Epson it is. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The camera was set as level and neutral as I could, and then I > >>>>>> used > >> some > >>>>>> front rise to take less of the road, and more of the subjects. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Second, something terribly wrong with my techniques, as the > >>>>>> left > edges > >>>>> from > >>>>>> all 3 lens are markedly softer than the right. I have made sure > >>>>>> that > >> the > >>>>>> negs are as flat as possible on the scanner holder, and this is > >> visible > >>>>> on > >>>>>> the negs also. This probably mean I did something wrong > >>>>>> somewhere. I noticed that the SH 617 has front swing and the > >>>>>> lensboard was ever > so > >>>>>> slightly might not have been parallel (but the amount is very > minor), > >> and > >>>>>> it may very well be that the film plate was not set parallel enough. > >> So > >>>>>> this is probably a user error. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Third, even at the best sharpest areas (on the right), things > >>>>>> don't > >> "pop > >>>>>> out sharp," unlike for example, the negs from the XPan. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I am having a dreadful feeling that someone can make this setup > sing, > >> but > >>>>>> that someone may just not be me :-( > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I applied 20% sharpening with LR4.2, with the radius and detail > >>>>>> set > up > >>>>>> their defau > >>>>>> 150mm Fuji @F32 > >>>>>> http://richardmanphoto.com/PICS/20121018-Scanned-8.jpg > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 210mm Symmar-S @F32 > >>>>>> http://richardmanphoto.com/PICS/20121018-Scanned-9.jpg > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 90mm Fuji SWD @F32 > >>>>>> http://richardmanphoto.com/PICS/20121018-Scanned-10.jpg > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >>>>> information > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >>>> information > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >>> information > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >> information > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. 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