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Subject: [Leica] THE 617 tests, something is very wrong here
From: richard at richardmanphoto.com (Richard Man)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:10:06 -0700
References: <CAF8hL-FvfRnuBBu_Hga9LaPk0M0gqW0BZpexheaagY7otLyaKw@mail.gmail.com> <CCA5EDA8.24FF1%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Correct - I am using the Epson 3200 for now. I couldn't get the Nikon
LS-9000 to work well for stitching (and it does take forever).

Since all 3 lens produce not so stellar results, this obviously mean a user
error somewhere (unless it's the film back), so one more test today....


On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
wrote:

> An inspiring set up!! Gorgeous camera. Respectable tripod.  I like how they
> make dark cloths which are white on the outside now and have elastic.
> Perhaps if you scanned some of your results and posted them it would be a
> help.
> I always focus wide open and then stopped way down. With the excepting of
> my
> Halloween project in which I had to shoot wide open a thing I didn't think
> with possible.
> A Fujinon 210 lens.
>
> http://rabinergroup.com/Catagorypages/Halloween2001.html
>
> Are you really planning on scanning each image you make twice and stitching
> them together? To me that sounds totally insane I know I'd go nuts in a
> week
> and I do think its ill advised what's the point of shooting once pieces of
> film you may as well be making two separate exposures. I would put it on a
> good Epson flat bed and scan it at full rez I'm sure the results would be
> excellent in a non huge print. If you even need a huge print for a gallery
> wall then have them make a drum scan.
>
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photography
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>
>
> > From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 14:18:46 -0700
> > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] THE 617 tests, something is very wrong here
> >
> > I do, As I said in the "Mr. Photography Man" thread:
> >
> > Welll..... just so it happens that my wife saw me earlier doing the tests
> > out in the driveway, and she thought I look "so cute" that she took a few
> > photos:
> >
> > http://richardmanphoto.com/PICS/20121017-_A173306.jpg
> >
> > http://richardmanphoto.com/PICS/20121017-_A173312.jpg
> >
> >
> > ... 6x loupe and a cable release
> >
> > It has to be a user error somewhere...
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> By the way you have a loupe and a darkcloth?
> >>
> >> Mark William Rabiner
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:28:07 -0400
> >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] THE 617 tests, something is very wrong here
> >>>
> >>> The old definition of a photo assistant is something who knows how to
> >> load a
> >>> Hasselblad back.
> >>> The new one is one who can teach the photographer they work for how to
> >> do it
> >>> right.
> >>> Much of this photography thing is self evident and you just figure it
> >> out.
> >>> But much of it its really good to have a face to face  real world peer
> >> group
> >>> to show you stuff. A workshop; a class.
> >>>
> >>> Mark William Rabiner
> >>> Photography
> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
> >>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>>> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 11:27:58 -0700
> >>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] THE 617 tests, something is very wrong here
> >>>>
> >>>> Ha ha, I never did that one, but on the Hassy, I did load the film
> >> backward
> >>>> once or twice - so no film images!
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at 
> >>>> rabinergroup.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I loaded my Hasselblad backs wrong the first few years I used them. I
> >>>>> didn't
> >>>>> put them under the tab but let the film just rest over the tab. So
> I'd
> >> got
> >>>>> the left edge soft and felt like I had to shoot everything way
> stopped
> >>>>> down.
> >>>>> I finally learned my lesson from an assistant. Should have gotten the
> >> Ernst
> >>>>> Wildi book straight on.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mark William Rabiner
> >>>>> Photography
> >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
> >>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 04:30:49 -0700
> >>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>>>>> Subject: [Leica] THE 617 tests, something is very wrong here
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> First the caveat, these are "high" resolution scan from the Epson
> >> 3200,
> >>>>> not
> >>>>>> my usual Nikon LS-9000, but trust me on this, the results don't look
> >> that
> >>>>>> different. I'm having trouble getting the LS-9000 to scan the two
> >> halves
> >>>>>> correctly sfor stitching so Epson it is.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The camera was set as level and neutral as I could, and then I used
> >> some
> >>>>>> front rise to take less of the road, and more of the subjects.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Second, something terribly wrong with my techniques, as the left
> edges
> >>>>> from
> >>>>>> all 3 lens are markedly softer than the right. I have made sure that
> >> the
> >>>>>> negs are as flat as possible on the scanner holder, and this is
> >> visible
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>> the negs also. This probably mean I did something wrong somewhere. I
> >>>>>> noticed that the SH 617 has front swing and the lensboard was ever
> so
> >>>>>> slightly might not have been parallel (but the amount is very
> minor),
> >> and
> >>>>>> it may very well be that the film plate was not set parallel enough.
> >> So
> >>>>>> this is probably a user error.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Third, even at the best sharpest areas (on the right), things don't
> >> "pop
> >>>>>> out sharp," unlike for example, the negs from the XPan.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am having a dreadful feeling that someone can make this setup
> sing,
> >> but
> >>>>>> that someone may just not be me :-(
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I applied 20% sharpening with LR4.2, with the radius and detail set
> up
> >>>>>> their defau
> >>>>>> 150mm Fuji @F32
> >>>>>> http://richardmanphoto.com/PICS/20121018-Scanned-8.jpg
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 210mm Symmar-S @F32
> >>>>>> http://richardmanphoto.com/PICS/20121018-Scanned-9.jpg
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 90mm Fuji SWD @F32
> >>>>>> http://richardmanphoto.com/PICS/20121018-Scanned-10.jpg
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
> >>>>
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> >
> >
> > --
> > // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
> >
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-- 
// richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>


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