Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/10/16

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Subject: [Leica] PESO: Do not
From: bjq1 at mac.com (Bernard Quinn)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:27:48 -0400
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George,

I agree with you. I wish that we could have an honest dialogue in this 
country about the many and very serious problems we face. It may be 
possible, but it is something which we never seem to do. The polarization 
and the rigidity and the what might be described as the "I'm right Jack" 
attitude that many people have troubles me deeply and causes me a lot of 
pain. 

There is no question in my mind that there are documentaries which have lead 
to major change in the country. Edward R. Murrow's renowned  "The Harvest of 
Shame" comes to mind, for one. I do not question the value of documenting 
things. But it also comes with a danger.

It would please me a great deal if Jim's photo of the bumper sticker started 
a conversation which lead to progress. But, I have two concerns. The first 
is that one person's document may also be another person's hate speech. 
There is the possibility of a slippery slope here which really does concern 
me.

My other concern is this. I probably have a fairly classical and orthodox 
view of the world. I would like to think that a person sees that bumper 
sticker, reacts to it, talks about it, and the world becomes an improved and 
better place. But, I am not sure that it works that way any more. Things are 
so polarized. I think there is a danger that things like that bumper sticker 
no longer promote conversation. Rather they serve to reinforce in both the 
minds of the right and the left that their own views and prejudices are 
correct and the people who do not agree with them are simply are idiots who 
do no bathe regularly. I will leave it to better minds than mine to decide 
if this is true or not. 

I have two big concerns here. The first is that valuable document or not 
that bumper sticker may also promote violence and hatred. I am not convinced 
that its existence will lead to progress. It may simply serve to further 
polarize us by working to confirm our prejudices. 

Barney


Barney Quinn, WK3Z
C: (301) 775-1386
H: (301) 654-0938

On Oct 16, 2012, at 4:10 PM, George Lottermoser <imagist3 at mac.com> wrote:

> 
> On Oct 16, 2012, at 2:26 PM, bjq1 at mac.com wrote:
> 
>> ti is also playing with fire. Ugly can be fanned into very real flames 
>> all too easily?.
> 
> Or "Ugly can be" left to smolder and stink.
> 
> In either case it needs to be dealt with; exposed to the light of day; 
> discussed.
> 
> The concept of documentary, journalistic photography
> requires, in my opinion, exposure of the good, bad, beautiful and ugly;
> and it must be done very well;
> with a sincere heart;
> and sense of taste;
> as was done in this case.
> 
> Regards,
> George Lottermoser 
> george at imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com/blog
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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