Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/10/02

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Subject: [Leica] Another MM portrait
From: benedenia at gmail.com (Marty Deveney)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 21:36:27 +0930
References: <CABmfTOXbd=SjCbosorcfLuqhfJir7NjdjLXW28HnekJ3Nwa+ig@mail.gmail.com> <CC904F48.24448%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Sure, but the more you push the raggedier the edges get, and the more
you push the more that starts to look obvious, which I dislike.

Marty


On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
wrote:
>
> I would think another person shooting with the monochrome would get a whole
> different tonality from it.
>
> If my camera has its own look or tonality I don't have the eye to see it.
> And I cant tell from looking at one of my shots which of my 5 digital
> cameras I've sued extensively shot it.  Each shot is its own challenge 
> there
> is a huge amount of information to choose from. What the camera would want 
> I
> don't know maybe if I shot jpegs. Though the settings on those are also
> numerous.  But don't I certainly shoot raw. Any shot could have gone a
> million different ways.
>
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photography
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>
>
>> From: Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 21:23:13 +0930
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Another MM portrait
>>
>> Then it shouldn't be any fun; this was very, no, extremely easy to
>> process.  My wet development and printing process was also very easy.
>>
>> The camera has its own tonality, fortunately it is one that I like (a 
>> lot).
>>
>> Marty
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> If it was easy it would be no fun.
>>>
>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>> Photography
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com>
>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 10:18:37 +0930
>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Another MM portrait
>>>>
>>>> I don't doubt that both the software and I will improve, but the
>>>> camera has its own tonality, and fighting it makes no sense to me.
>>>>
>>>> Marty
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at 
>>>> rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>>>>> Well you can make it look like whatever you want it to look like with 
>>>>> or
>>>>> without additional software and a month or a year later tweak it to you
>>>>> satisfaction. Also a year from now you'll be better at it.  Its a 
>>>>> goldmine
>>>>> for our work the new cameras just out now from Leica. Goodness knows 
>>>>> we've
>>>>> waited long enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>>> Photography
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 15:17:19 +0930
>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Another MM portrait
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Mark, I'm contemplating those borders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been adjusting most of my MM shots to look like Agfa film in
>>>>>> Rodinal or Beutlers on Brovira or Portrig (but without the nasty
>>>>>> greeny-browns I always fought against with that paper).  There is a
>>>>>> sentimental side of me that would prefer them to look like Plus-X or
>>>>>> medium format Tri-X in D75 1+1 on Elite or the original Galerie, but
>>>>>> other than in exceptional light the files are less amenable to that
>>>>>> look, and can start to appear to have a strange, unnatural tonality if
>>>>>> forced.  This look is lovely, and the camera does it easily, so I'm
>>>>>> happy with it.  Like attempting to use HC110 and Tri-X Pro, if
>>>>>> something doesn't work, I don't care what people (or their heroes)
>>>>>> tell me, I just don't do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plenty more soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Later,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marty
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at 
>>>>>> rabinergroup.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Tonality is amazingly impressive Looks like Agfapan 25 in Beutlers
>>>>>>> printed
>>>>>>> on Agfa Brovira fiber with Dektol 1:1 I love everything about it
>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>> the landscape mode take on the composition, excellent use of 
>>>>>>> selective
>>>>>>> focus
>>>>>>> and most of all attitude of the subject...  except the borders which 
>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>> fakey. (cartoonish) but even if done well I'd not like.  I'd take 
>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>> for sure.
>>>>>>> Congrats on you MM it looks like you are putting it to great use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>>>>> Photography
>>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Ted Grant <tedgrant at shaw.ca>
>>>>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:12:05 -0700
>>>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Another MM portrait
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Marty Deveney SHOWED:
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Leica] Another MM portrait
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My friend S has a beautiful daughter, S jr, who is 4 and is now a 
>>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>> cooperative model.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/MM/S-jr.jpg.html  75
>>>>>>>>> Summilux,
>>>>>>>>> MM.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Marty,
>>>>>>>> Very nice! But why not shoot her vertically?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>>>> Dr. ted  :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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