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Subject: [Leica] OT: Are we Anal or what? "The Puddle Jumper" / Re: How about this one?
From: henningw at archiphoto.com (Henning Wulff)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 14:04:22 -0700
References: <CAMGHw9B=aWixmXOd4ESpQ3JEeNkKXZmpuCKStbxTSdMk7-vuHw@mail.gmail.com> <12B4CD4E-DC52-439D-AFD1-8FE17B2010E8@frozenlight.eu> <8602DA6E-7B3B-4E57-9721-47F2B617F368@gmail.com>

In my (not all that important) opinion the only reason it matters is that 
HCB tended to expound on 'the decisive moment' and 'no cropping' at some 
points in his life, when in fact he staged and cropped as he saw fit. He 
often engaged in these sort of head games.

And...   still great pictures.

Henning


On 2012-06-17, at 1:55 PM, James Laird wrote:

> Really? I guess it does matter if the 'decisive moment' was staged, I 
> guess. NOT. Ask Stanley Kubrick (if you could) or Steven Spielberg or 
> George Lucas if their 'decisive moments' were staged. Or maybe Robert 
> Capa? :)
> 
> Jim Laird
> 
> On Jun 17, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> 
> wrote:
> 
>> The discussion was not about the equipment used to take the pictures in 
>> question--that does not matter. The discussion was about whether the 
>> puddle jumper shot was staged, and that does matter, given HCB's fame for 
>> "decisive moment" and all that.
>> 
>> Nathan Wajsman
>> Alicante, Spain
>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
>> 
>> 
>> YNWA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 17, 2012, at 10:24 PM, James Laird wrote:
>> 
>>> Really? We are worried about whether or not the 'Iwo Jima' shot or the
>>> HCB 'Puddle Jumper' shot was staged? Really? Are we worried that maybe
>>> the eyelashes on the guy in the puddle jumper shot might be sharper if
>>> we shot them with a Nikon D800 vs D800E? Really? Doesn't this seem a
>>> bit ridiculous to all of you? Maybe a bit anal?
>>> WHO CARES? They are great photographs. Who cares if they were shot
>>> with an M4 and a 50mm Collapsible Summicron or an 800E with a Nikkor
>>> 50 1.4? It's STILL a great photograph, isn't it? I've seen great
>>> photographs taken with 3.2 MP Minolta cameras that most of us would
>>> consider pieces of crap, but the photo...a work of art. Beautiful by
>>> anyone's standards.
>>> I think we all need to take a deep breath, slow down, and realize once
>>> and for all that the photograph is what counts. NOT the camera or the
>>> lens or the film or the memory card or CS5 or LR4 or whatever we used
>>> to get it. A great photograph stands on its own merit. And we all know
>>> that the minute we see it. That's what keeps us shooting. We all think
>>> that someday we might be skilled enough or (in the end) lucky enough
>>> to be in the right place at the right time with a camera to take a
>>> photograph that is eternal. Like HCB. He took thousands of
>>> photographs, many of which were probably NOT keepers. But he kept on
>>> shooting because he was rich enough or lucky enough to be able to do
>>> nothing but take photographs, to do the thing that we all love so
>>> much. God, he makes me so jealous sometimes. We all probably wish we
>>> could have the chance to do what he did.
>>> But most of us can't so we think if we buy X lens and Y camera with Z
>>> processor/computer that maybe we can do what he did, oh god if we only
>>> could. Really?
>>> 
>>> Just my humble opinion ;)
>>> 
>>> Jim Laird
>>> 
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Henning Wulff
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In reply to: Message from digiratidoc at gmail.com (James Laird) ([Leica] OT: Are we Anal or what? "The Puddle Jumper" / Re: How about this one?)
Message from photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman) ([Leica] OT: Are we Anal or what? "The Puddle Jumper" / Re: How about this one?)
Message from digiratidoc at gmail.com (James Laird) ([Leica] OT: Are we Anal or what? "The Puddle Jumper" / Re: How about this one?)