Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/06/17
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I went to the editor that worked with Joe on the Iwo Jima photo. His story is basically the same as the one on the Wiki. He also confirmed the incorrect story of the posed photos, as said in the wiki. The amazing thing is truly how short the sequence of event was. The Military press also took motion picture, and the flag went up in a matter of 3 seconds or so, may be less. He really did press the shutter at the decisive moment - once. According to the editor, the first time he was on the way up the mountain and just missed the opportunity. On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > I think the crux of the issue is do street shooters interact with their > subjects or are they ciphers who blend into the wall paper and never say a > word and I think its mainly the former. > If it turned out the puddle jump was the fifth take it would not ruin it > for > me as the truth of the moment goes. It has the puddle jumpers idea to make > the jump in the first place it would be no big deal to me for him to do it > again to make sure the photographer got the shot. > Which was the exact thing which happened in the Raising the Flag on Iwo > Jima > shot by Joe Rosenthal. First it really happened. Then Joe Rosenthal had > them > redo it. Maybe he left his lens cap on the first time. But nobody cares. I > don't. Threes enough "truth" in it for me and everybody. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_the_Flag_on_Iwo_Jima > > - - from my iRabs. > Mark Rabiner > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ > > > > From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> > > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > > Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 01:06:24 -0700 > > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] "The Puddle Jumper" / Re: How about this one? > > > > Monsieur Cartier-Bresson obviously loved to play head games with his fan. > > He clearly said a few times that he couldn't see too well through the > slot > > or hole in the fence, but he never said, AFAIK, whether he got the guy to > > jump multiple times or not. He deliberately left it vague. > > > > It would be great as an intellectual resolution to know the answer once > and > > for all. > > > > thanks > > > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:51 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com > >wrote: > > > >> I was afraid of that. I went flipping though the book when I was in > >> Portland last month and I never found the page. The show we saw in NY > >> though > >> was not that show you are mentioning. It was the Scrapbook show. Early > >> work. > >> It could be I dreamt the contact sheet of puddle jumping but I was not > >> aware > >> I was that delusional. Possible though. The place I would have seen it > >> would have been in the International Center of Photography five years > ago. > >> Perhaps someone who was with me from the NYLUG can corroborate it. > >> I certainly can not find it in numerous searches on Bing and Google > >> contacts > >> sheet mode searches. > >> Henri Cartier-Bresson's Scrapbook: Photographs, 1932?1946 > >> JANUARY 19?APRIL 29, 2007 > >> http://www.icp.org/museum/exhibitions/henri-cartier-bressons-scrapbook > >> > >> - - from my iRabs. > >> Mark Rabiner > >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ > >> > >> > >>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> > >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >>> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:37:02 -0700 > >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >>> Subject: [Leica] "The Puddle Jumper" / Re: How about this one? > >>> > >>> Mark, I checked my copy of "Celebrating the Negative," and the negative > >>> shown is just that single frame, cut off, without sprocket holes on on > >> edge > >>> even (Henri "ate them," so he said). > >>> > >>> No there is no contact sheet of the sequence. Unfortunately, it's not > >>> included in the Magnum book "Contact Sheet" either. > >>> > >>> I went to the "Modern Century" show of HCB's photos a few years ago in > >>> SFMOMA and there's no such contact sheet :-( > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at > >>> rabinergroup.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>> In the contact sheet in the book "Celebrating the Negative" by > >>>> John Loengard you can see he is caught in the air jumping over the > same > >>>> puddle from the same spot at least 27 times. > >>>> Some of us NY LUG guys also saw and discused that contact sheet when > it > >> was > >>>> displayed in the early HCB show at the ICP in new York a few years > ago: > >>>> Henri Cartier-Bresson's Scrapbook: Photographs, 1932?1946 > >>>> JANUARY 19?APRIL 29, 2007 > >>>> > >>>> Derriere la Gare Saint-Lazare better known as: > >>>> The Puddle Jumper > >>>> > >>>> This photo findable now on the internet is mainly used as an example > for > >>>> the > >>>> other myth. That HCB (or other Magnum shooters) never cropped. This > >> photo > >>>> is > >>>> cropped by quite a bit. As are a handful of others of his. > >>>> They are saying in many examples I find on the internet that he is > >>>> shooting > >>>> through a fence which reinforces the whole "decisive moment" myth; > >> Waiting > >>>> patiently some magic moment to happen from a hole in a fence clicking > >> once > >>>> and going home. > >>>> But the guy jumps from the same place over the same puddle strip after > >>>> strip. > >>>> And there was no reason for HCB to not act like any other magazine > >>>> photographer of the time and perhaps a bit less so, now.. To be > heavily > >>>> involved with what he was shooting. > >>>> Of course its always depended on the exact kind of thing you're > >> shooting. > >>>> Baby shoes and so on. Hiring models to kiss in front of crowds of > >> leering > >>>> men... > >>>> > >>>> - - from my iRabs. > >>>> Mark Rabiner > >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com> > >>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >>>>> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:52:29 -0700 > >>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] How about this one? > >>>>> > >>>>> In the "Impassionated Eye" video, HCB explicitly said the same thing > >> you > >>>>> did, so I think the "asking the guy jumping multiple times" is a > myth. > >>>>> > >>>>> and I just love this video > >>>>> http://vimeo.com/33376713 > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 5:17 PM, B. D. Colen <bd at bdcolenphoto.com> > >> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> ... > >>>>>> Finally, I won't put money on this - but I don't think HCB had the > guy > >>>> do > >>>>>> anything. He was shooting through a hole in a fence, and shot a > series > >>>> of > >>>>>> people as they tried to get across the puddle. The best of the > images > >> he > >>>>>> got was of the famous jumper. At least I believe that's correct. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>