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Subject: [Leica] S2 vs. 645D
From: chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com (Chris Crawford)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 00:29:10 -0500

American-made small cars really are pieces of shit. They ride rough,
banging the heck out of the driver and passengers if you hit a bump, which
is uncomfortable for anyone, but especially for frail old women. They're
also unsafe if you get in a wreck with someone in a truck or SUV, and they
tend to be poorly made, low quality cars.

There's a myth that many believe that all American cars are crap. That's
not true, larger American cars are well made, reliable, comfortable cars.
I've owned several midsize and fullsize GM and Ford cars, and none had any
reliability problems, despite my abuse of them. They were good cars. My
grandma took good care of her Escort, and it was a junker. My sister has
had a couple of small GM cars and they were junk too.

-- 
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On 3/5/12 12:22 AM, "Nathan Wajsman" <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote:

>Which begs the question, why does an old lady need a big car?
>
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>On Mar 4, 2012, at 11:57 PM, Chris Crawford wrote:
>
>> In 2006, my grandmother bought a new car. She had a 1987 Ford Escort
>>that
>> she had bought new. She has money but is tightfisted, so when she bought
>> the Escort, she went to the local Ford dealer and said she wanted the
>> cheapest new car on the lot. Then she paid cash for it.
>> 
>> She hated that Escort the entire time she had it. It was a little
>>tin-can
>> shitbox that rode rough, had no engine power, was claustrophobically
>>small
>> inside, and God help you if you get in a wreck with someone driving a
>>big
>> car! She bitched about that Escort the whole time she had it, and when
>>she
>> replaced it in 2006, she swore she was going to buy a nicer car.
>> 
>> She didn't want to spend too much though. She looked at the Ford Focus,
>> the successor to the Escort and a better built car, though still a
>>crappy
>> econo-tincan, and she looked at a Taurus, a nice midsize car. The Taurus
>> was $3000 more than the Focus. That was just $3000 too much and the old
>> cheapskate bought the Focus, once again paying the full cost of the
>> brand-new car in cash.
>> 
>> My grandma has done nothing but BITCH incessantly to everyone who will
>> listen about what a piece of shit her car is, and how much she hates it
>> because its too small, rides rough, has no power, and she feels unsafe
>>in
>> it. Sound familiar? Yeah, same complaints she had about her last new
>>car,
>> the 87 Escort.
>> 
>> Seriously, if you're already spending $10+ thousand, a couple thousand
>> more for a better camera is worth it.
>> 
>> 
>> Lesson: Spend the money and get the right camera.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Chris Crawford
>> Fine Art Photography
>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
>> 260-437-8990
>> 
>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
>> 
>> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My latest work!
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> On 3/4/12 4:28 PM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> That way of thinking leads to madness!
>>> 
>>> $13K for H4D-31, but hey
>>> $13K for a P40+, and "only" $5K more to get an Alpa and a good lens!
>>> But hey,
>>> $18K, may as well pay another $4K for the S2 body and what's another
>>>$4K
>>> for a lens?
>>> 
>>> But wait... $26K? You can get a P65+ and another $5K for an Alpa with a
>>> good lens!
>>> $31K? Chump change. Now you can get a S2P setup!
>>> 
>>> Or wait, $31K + $8K gets you the ULTIMATE IQ180. Who doesn't want THAT?
>>> Another $15K gets you the ultimate ultimate Alpa with 3 lens setup.
>>> 
>>> So now we are looking at $52K.
>>> 
>>> All because $13K is just $2K more than $11K.
>>> 
>>> AND NOT a single photo has been taken.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 1:10 PM, <grduprey at mchsi.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> If I was going to spend $11K on a digital MF camera I would spend
>>>> another
>>>> $2k and get the Hasselblad H4D-31.
>>>> 
>>>> Gene
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 11:26:29 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] S2 vs. 645D
>>>> 
>>>> The genesis of the camera seems to be that Pentax finally finished it
>>>>so
>>>> that it can make the company more appealing to Hoya, but then it got
>>>> wildly
>>>> popular (well, wildly is a relative term in medium format world). Now
>>>> another owner later, they are certainly taking their time releasing
>>>>new
>>>> lens. There is one wide lens already: 25mm which is even wider than
>>>>the
>>>> new
>>>> Leica S2 35mm but one will have to make do with the older 645 or 6x7
>>>> lens
>>>> in the mean time. The performance varies so you may have to try
>>>>several
>>>> lens to get one that performs well, but they are dirt cheap though,
>>>> relatively speaking.
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 9:12 PM, John McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Pentax don't seem to be rushing out new/wider lenses for it, not sure
>>>>> (either way) of the quality of the lenses from the film days.
>>>>> 
>>>>> john
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I can finagled $11K, I'd buy the Pentax 645D in a heartbeat. \
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
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>>> 
>>> 
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