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Subject: [Leica] S2 vs. 645D
From: photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 06:22:00 +0100
References: <CB79599C.F3CC%chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com>

Which begs the question, why does an old lady need a big car?

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On Mar 4, 2012, at 11:57 PM, Chris Crawford wrote:

> In 2006, my grandmother bought a new car. She had a 1987 Ford Escort that
> she had bought new. She has money but is tightfisted, so when she bought
> the Escort, she went to the local Ford dealer and said she wanted the
> cheapest new car on the lot. Then she paid cash for it.
> 
> She hated that Escort the entire time she had it. It was a little tin-can
> shitbox that rode rough, had no engine power, was claustrophobically small
> inside, and God help you if you get in a wreck with someone driving a big
> car! She bitched about that Escort the whole time she had it, and when she
> replaced it in 2006, she swore she was going to buy a nicer car.
> 
> She didn't want to spend too much though. She looked at the Ford Focus,
> the successor to the Escort and a better built car, though still a crappy
> econo-tincan, and she looked at a Taurus, a nice midsize car. The Taurus
> was $3000 more than the Focus. That was just $3000 too much and the old
> cheapskate bought the Focus, once again paying the full cost of the
> brand-new car in cash.
> 
> My grandma has done nothing but BITCH incessantly to everyone who will
> listen about what a piece of shit her car is, and how much she hates it
> because its too small, rides rough, has no power, and she feels unsafe in
> it. Sound familiar? Yeah, same complaints she had about her last new car,
> the 87 Escort.
> 
> Seriously, if you're already spending $10+ thousand, a couple thousand
> more for a better camera is worth it.
> 
> 
> Lesson: Spend the money and get the right camera.
> 
> -- 
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> 
> On 3/4/12 4:28 PM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote:
> 
>> That way of thinking leads to madness!
>> 
>> $13K for H4D-31, but hey
>> $13K for a P40+, and "only" $5K more to get an Alpa and a good lens!
>> But hey,
>> $18K, may as well pay another $4K for the S2 body and what's another $4K
>> for a lens?
>> 
>> But wait... $26K? You can get a P65+ and another $5K for an Alpa with a
>> good lens!
>> $31K? Chump change. Now you can get a S2P setup!
>> 
>> Or wait, $31K + $8K gets you the ULTIMATE IQ180. Who doesn't want THAT?
>> Another $15K gets you the ultimate ultimate Alpa with 3 lens setup.
>> 
>> So now we are looking at $52K.
>> 
>> All because $13K is just $2K more than $11K.
>> 
>> AND NOT a single photo has been taken.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 1:10 PM, <grduprey at mchsi.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> If I was going to spend $11K on a digital MF camera I would spend
>>> another
>>> $2k and get the Hasselblad H4D-31.
>>> 
>>> Gene
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 11:26:29 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] S2 vs. 645D
>>> 
>>> The genesis of the camera seems to be that Pentax finally finished it so
>>> that it can make the company more appealing to Hoya, but then it got
>>> wildly
>>> popular (well, wildly is a relative term in medium format world). Now
>>> another owner later, they are certainly taking their time releasing new
>>> lens. There is one wide lens already: 25mm which is even wider than the
>>> new
>>> Leica S2 35mm but one will have to make do with the older 645 or 6x7
>>> lens
>>> in the mean time. The performance varies so you may have to try several
>>> lens to get one that performs well, but they are dirt cheap though,
>>> relatively speaking.
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 9:12 PM, John McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Pentax don't seem to be rushing out new/wider lenses for it, not sure
>>>> (either way) of the quality of the lenses from the film days.
>>>> 
>>>> john
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> If I can finagled $11K, I'd buy the Pentax 645D in a heartbeat. \
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
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