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Subject: [Leica] OT perhaps - monitor selection
From: kcarney1 at cox.net (Ken Carney)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:18:08 -0600
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I am far from an expert, but just a few thoughts.  For years I had a 
Sony Trinitron 21" CRT that I calibrated with a Colordata Spyder.   Of 
course, it eventually became unreliable, so I got an LCD (Samsung 
Syncmaster 213T) and it has worked well.  One thing I have noticed is 
that with the factory defaults, you need sunglasses with some of the LCD 
and LED monitors.  The info I have read indicates that in fairly dim 
light (my room when doing photography), a brightness range of 100-140 
works well.  My Samsung measures 98.  I believe the CRT's like my late 
Trinitron were around 100.  My print viewing light is supposed to be 
5,000K, and the native resolution of the Samsung measures 5,240.  I 
could measure the viewing light, but now my prints match the monitor 
closely enough with accurate paper profiles.

There is no way I could do this without the monitor software and 
hardware.  I have to constantly remember the "30-second blink", i.e. 
look away from the monitor for a little bit.  I was working on a print 
the other night and my wife came in and asked why the subject's skin was 
reddish...it was, I had just stared at the monitor too long.  Having 
said all that, there is a master printmaker here who is greatly in 
demand and who does everything by eye - I have no idea how he does it.  
I wouldn't even try with a laptop unless I had a separate calibrated 
monitor in a steady lighting environment.

Ken

On 1/12/2012 6:26 PM, Marty Deveney wrote:
>> It may depend on how much training your eyes have had in color work.
> I have had a lot of practice, but am just hopeless at it.  I
> periodically look at a set of Ishihara tests
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishihara_color_test but I am not colour
> blind.
>
>> With 40 years of press proofing in 5,000K light tents and on 5,000K light 
>> boxes;
>> I feel fairly confident in my eyes; though age may remove that confidence 
>> of youth.
> I absolutely do not doubt that, but I am hopeless.
>
>> I've had three professional monitors complete with their system pucks and 
>> software.
>> I found them only slightly better than a visual calibration.
>> It was very difficult to get them adjusted for room conditions.
>> They were very sensitive to extraneous light.
> The systems I use are totally shielded from extraneous light.  The
> best ones have a sensor that faces each way so it adjusts the screen
> according to the colour of the room light (problematic when you have a
> component of daylight, but if you can control the light in your room,
> it works well).
>
>> These were tube monitors so things may have improved in the flat screen 
>> calibration systems.
> I think these systems have got better in a general sense, rather than
> in association with a change in dominant monitor technology.
>
> And to anyone who lacks experience or who finds using the built-in
> calibration systems (i.e. in the Apple OS) problematic, I'd strongly
> encourage them to get a good calibration device.  With your experience
> George, well, I would only say 'carry on'.
>
> Marty
>
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