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Subject: [Leica] Culmination of Sal DiMarco research
From: benedenia at gmail.com (Marty Deveney)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 10:38:03 +1030
References: <20111012172805.22df08d2@linux-pfy5.site> <684B427F-1D19-4025-815F-4AFADEB49724@frozenlight.eu> <1640419608271aff8c1a838ea1a5347a@mail.gmail.com> <CAE3QcF401R27awFAomGDcgAniLPOt6Ftf4BVF0TVdjqr+ga5Ng@mail.gmail.com> <CABmfTOVYrwO5pieH07M95QQXHKBfdd2LL98pYnc7UZ8NjjQv=g@mail.gmail.com> <CAE3QcF7qeX2MqyZHvWs5LSyxvua3VY78zH_Hzh8ChD9hQw=C5w@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe: "impossible" just wasn't the right word for leica to use, even
in the early 2000s.

Marty

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> 
wrote:
> Maybe some semantics? Having talked a little with the senior engineers 
> there
> and beta tested their firmware I can confirm that there is a LOT happening
> to produce the results you see.
> Respect what the camera produces from even lenses designed 50 year before
> the camera was thought of ;-)
>
> Cheers
> Geoff
>
> *Lighting- eyes- action*
>
>
>
> On 13 October 2011 23:05, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The microlenses and software corrections were established technologies
>> when Leica were saying it was impossible to make a digital M - they
>> just hadn't put the two ideas together in their heads. ?They also
>> thought they could hang in with film and would be okay, but they were
>> wrong. ?It was the same when Ernst Leitz said that the rangefinder
>> would prevail over the SLR. ?Many, many other companies have done it
>> and not survived - Leica have been fortunate, luckily for us.
>>
>> It's a long way from "nearly impossible".
>>
>> Marty
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at 
>> gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi Jim. I don't want to derail the thread you are in.
>> > But let me tell you that was and is nearly true.
>> > There is a LOT done in the camera with every file from the M9 even in 
>> > the
>> > raw files. There is a BIG lot done on anything from wide lenses.
>> > Only the idea of different angles on micro-lenses towards the edges made
>> > this possible at all and it is still at the ragged edge.
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Geoff
>> >
>> > *Lighting- eyes- action*
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 13 October 2011 22:51, Jim Shulman <jshulman at judgecrater.com> 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have so many memories of Sal, one of which was his lengthy 
>> >> explanation
>> >> (delivered from top brass at Leica) on why there could never be a
>> digital
>> >> M. ?Evidently the physics of the camera made a digital version utterly
>> >> impossible.
>> >>
>> >> J
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org
>> >> [mailto:lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org] On 
>> >> Behalf
>> Of
>> >> Nathan Wajsman
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 6:54 PM
>> >> To: Leica Users Group
>> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Culmination of Sal DiMarco research
>> >>
>> >> Well done, Phil!
>> >>
>> >> FWIW, this may be a good time to remind of my little Sal memento that
>> has
>> >> been on my web site since 2004:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.nathanfoto.com/sal.html
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Nathan
>> >>
>> >> On 13 Oct, 2011, at 5:28 , Phil Forrest wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > For my final act as an undergrad at Temple University I'm putting on 
>> >> > a
>> >> > public show of Sal DiMarco's work with the "Philadelphia Evening
>> >> > & Sunday Bulletin" as well as what little of his personal work I will
>> >> > be able to work through.
>> >> > Dr. Ed Trayes, the director of the photography sequence as well as 
>> >> > the
>> >> > sponsor for my independent study was a friend of Sal's as well and is
>> >> > looking forward to his work being shown and installed at the school.
>> >> > The date of this exhibit is TBD but tentatively will be held in
>> >> > mid-December. There is a chance that I will host it in late January 
>> >> > or
>> >> > early February of next year.
>> >> > I never got the chance to meet Sal but just looking at the Urban
>> >> > Archives collection in the Paley Library at Temple, his work pervades
>> >> > Philadelphia history from the early 70's on.
>> >> > Of course, every LUG member is invited. One aspect of this project is
>> a
>> >> > multimedia record and presentation of what Sal's friends and family
>> wish
>> >> > to say about him and his work.
>> >> > I've learned recently that there are 40 boxes of Sal's personal
>> >> > negatives which are largely uncatalogued and not archived digitally 
>> >> > or
>> >> > in print at all. The custodian of the Urban Archives, which holds
>> >> > this personal work said that it was on long-term loan from Sal's
>> >> > brother Joe for use by Temple students. The show is also an aim to 
>> >> > get
>> >> > this personal work archived for future use.
>> >> > This is a giant project that I could work on for easily 5 more years
>> >> > but its time has come.
>> >> >
>> >> > Here is my letter to the journalism chair and faculty:
>> >> >
>> >> > ? ? ? Throughout his life, Salvatore "Sal" C. DiMarco Jr. was a
>> >> Philadelphia photographer. He worked for the "Philadelphia Evening &
>> >> Sunday Bulletin" from 1967 when he began there until the day it closed
>> in
>> >> 1982. His tenure at the "Bulletin" saw him move up the ranks from 
>> >> intern
>> >> all the way to chief photographer. The photographic vision of DiMarco
>> >> during those 15 years helped to shape the visual record of Philadelphia
>> as
>> >> we know it. After the "Bulletin" closed in 1982 DiMarco worked 
>> >> full-time
>> >> as a freelance photojournalist. He contributed to TIME magazine, was a
>> >> photographer with the Black Star photo agency, was a member of the 
>> >> White
>> >> House News Photographers Association in addition to several 
>> >> professional
>> >> journalism organizations.
>> >> > ? ? ? DiMarco died suddenly on June 11, 2004 at the age of 57, 
>> >> > leaving
>> >> behind an immense photographic collection of professional and personal
>> >> images, many of the Philadelphia area. The photographic record which
>> >> Temple University holds in the Urban Archives is invaluable and the
>> >> contribution which DiMarco made during his time at the "Bulletin" 
>> >> cannot
>> >> be overlooked.
>> >> > ? ? ? I intend to bring light to the work of this Temple alum and 
>> >> > very
>> >> important member of the Philadelphia journalism community through a
>> >> memorial show of his work with the "Bulletin" and permanently 
>> >> displaying
>> >> some of his photos with stories throughout the School of Communication
>> and
>> >> Theater as well as in the Urban Archives themselves.
>> >> > ? ? ? Further, I hope this memorial show and installation will help 
>> >> > me
>> >> in my effort towards getting 40 large boxes of DiMarco's personal
>> >> negatives archived for future use by Temple students and researchers in
>> >> the Philadelphia region.
>> >> >
>> >> > Respectfully,
>> >> > Philip Forrest
>> >> > Temple Photojournalism Class of 2012"
>> >> >
>> >> > Again, I will be updating the LUG on the date when this event will be
>> >> > held and where the images will be displayed permanently.
>> >> > I look forward to possibly meeting more of the LUG for this show and
>> >> > prominently bringing Sal's very important photographic work in Philly
>> >> > to the students in the journalism school as well as the whole
>> >> > University.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks all,
>> >> > Phil Forrest
>> >> >
>> >> > _______________________________________________
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>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Nathan Wajsman
>> >> Alicante, Spain
>> >> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>> >> http://www.greatpix.eu
>> >> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>> >>
>> >> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
>> >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>> >> Image licensing: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman
>> >> Blog: http://www.nathansmusings.eu
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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