Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/05/04
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]The Brownie Flash 620, which I used for 2 years before I bought a used Leica IIIa, also used 620, as the name would indicate. This seemed to be popular in the early 1950s. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sonny Carter" <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [Leica] 100 year anniversary of 120 film (Care & feeding of '29Original) > Brownie Hawkeye, French and American Versions used 620. > > > On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Robert Meier <robertmeier at usjet.net> > wrote: > >> RABS BEGINS! >> >> >> On May 4, 2011, at 1:50 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote: >> >> I love Brownie film. >>> And that is my understanding of what medium format film is called in >>> Japan. >>> So if I was listening to Japanese photographers talk to each other that >>> would be the word I'd be able to pick out. >>> What I'd like to know is is 120 film and 6x6 the first such film made? >>> As >>> in >>> with the paper backing and spool configuration. >>> >>> The irony on the "Brownie" term is that many people here think of medium >>> format film as Hasselblad film. What goes in a Hasselblad. Which is >>> the >>> exact other end of the spectrum as people think of such cameras as the >>> epitome of high end ness. While a brownie being the epitome of low end >>> ness. >>> So there is some irony there. Perhaps intended. >>> >>> My very first camera as a kid was a Brownie Starlet which used film on a >>> spool with a paper backing but as it turned out was a scaled down >>> version >>> of >>> 120 6x6 film. It was 127 film and was 4x4 cm's! >>> It took me awhile to figure out looking back that I started out shooting >>> squares. As I think the shooting of squares has been a very big deal in >>> my >>> photo history much of my best work. And I took to it like a duck to >>> water >>> with my first Rolleiflex in 1975 right out of school. >>> I'd like to be shooting some squares today! >>> The Starlet was made both in Rochester and in Paris France. >>> >>> I took this picture with it from the top of the Empire State Building in >>> the >>> rain when I was nine in 1960, my first roll of film ever. Roll #1. >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/New+York+Cityx.jpg.html >>> >>> But my first camera in around 1958 when I was 10-12 yrs old: (1960-2) >>> was >>> a >>> Brownie Starlet which shot a mini 120 film called 127. >>> http://www.ken.lyndrup.dk/Engelsk/Kodak/Brownie%20Stralet%20Camera%20E.htm >>> http://www.geh.org/fm/brownie/htmlsrc/mE13000055_ful.html#topofimage >>> http://www.vieilalbum.com/BrownieStarletFR.htm >>> Manufactured : 1957-62 Lens : Dakon Shutter : Rotary >>> IMAGE SIZE: 1-5/8 x 1-5/8in. >>> (4.1275 inches according to the internet) >>> ((.1275 inch = 3.2385 millimeters)) >>> ORIGINAL LIST PRICE: $5.95 >>> Film Size : 127 >>> Negative Size : 4x4 cm >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------- >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Slobodan Dimitrov <s.dimitrov at charter.net> >>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 06:33:48 -0700 >>>> To: <rolleiusers at yahoogroups.com>, <rollei_list at freelists.org> >>>> Cc: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Subject: [Leica] 100 year anniversary of 120 film (Care & feeding of >>>> '29 >>>> Original) >>>> >>>> I just found out that next year, 2012, 120 film will be 100 years old. >>>> Anyone >>>> willing to do a celebratory project to commemorate the milestone? >>>> S.d. >>>> >>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>> >>>> From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza at yahoo.com.ar> >>>>> Date: May 4, 2011 1:53:25 AM PDT >>>>> To: rolleiusers at yahoogroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [rolleiusers] Re: Care & feeding of '29 Original >>>>> Reply-To: rolleiusers at yahoogroups.com >>>>> >>>>> Kirk: >>>>> 120 film was available from 1912 and the Rolleiflex was designed in >>>>> 1928, it >>>>> could be made to use 120 film but Heidecke wanted to keep the camera >>>>> as >>>>> compact and small as posssible and then he chose the 117 film (B1-6). >>>>> The >>>>> Rolleiflex was a market successs and hardly the firsts users got it >>>>> they >>>>> asked the factory about to adapt it to use longer film; F&H found a >>>>> way >>>>> to >>>>> retrofit the camera for 620 film spools use with 12 frames. >>>>> >>>>> According the explanation in Claus Prochnow's Report 1, the 620 spools >>>>> larger >>>>> flanges made contact with the upper spool chamber and then it had to >>>>> be >>>>> enlarged accordingly, the lower spool was housed in a cage and >>>>> projected >>>>> slightly and then the camera back received two spherical cuts. The >>>>> camera >>>>> exterior was kept original without changes. >>>>> >>>>> The camera could also be adapted for 120 film at factory, but it >>>>> required >>>>> major changes with modifications even for the camera exterior (i.e. a >>>>> additional spool knob and a new wider transport knob with a groove) >>>>> and >>>>> the >>>>> changes for the camera inside were significant too. >>>>> While the adaptation for 620 film looks pretty simple for a technician >>>>> wanting to do the task, the adaptation for 120 film looks more complex >>>>> requiring special parts, 120 spools had slight variants at the time >>>>> and >>>>> the >>>>> adaptation needed to consider these variants. >>>>> >>>>> It was from January 1932 with the first Rolleiflex Standard model that >>>>> the >>>>> Rolleiflex cameras were made to use 120 film from factory. The 117 >>>>> film >>>>> was >>>>> discontinued in 1949, F&H decision to adopt the 120 film size had >>>>> nothing to >>>>> do with the 117 film availability, the Rolleiflex users wanted a >>>>> longer >>>>> film. >>>>> >>>>> Carlos >>>>> >>>>> PS:If you have the 620 spools, it's pretty easy to respool 120 film, >>>>> the >>>>> only >>>>> difference 120-620 is the spool, film size is the same. >>>>> >>>>> --- El mi? 4-may-11, Kirk Thompson <thompsonkirk at hotmail.com> >>>>> escribi?: >>>>> >>>>> De: Kirk Thompson <thompsonkirk at hotmail.com> >>>>>> Asunto: [rolleiusers] Re: Care & feeding of '29 Original >>>>>> Para: rolleiusers at yahoogroups.com >>>>>> Fecha: mi?rcoles, 4 de mayo de 2011, 1:03 >>>>>> Thanks, Richard, for having a go at >>>>>> it, but unfortunately those aren't solutions (if there are >>>>>> any). >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. No way 120, it's too fat. The early Rolleis used 117 >>>>>> film. Phillips explains that in 1929 it was the only >>>>>> size that had the frame numbers printed in the right place >>>>>> on the backing paper. 117 was 6 cm wide but had a thin >>>>>> spindle (making a thinner roll), small flanges, and >>>>>> different holes in the ends of the spools. >>>>>> >>>>>> When 117 was discontinued, many of the original Rolleis >>>>>> were converted to 620 film (which is still available from >>>>>> B&H). 620 has a skinny spindle and small flanges like >>>>>> 117, but it required a modification of the cameras: a >>>>>> different-sized left bump and right key to engage the >>>>>> take-up spool. These are the conversion parts I have some >>>>>> small hope of finding, if anyone knows of an old Rollei >>>>>> burial site where such things can be found. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Years of experience have proved that klutzes like me do >>>>>> not work on their own cameras. So I still want to know if >>>>>> there's a classic camera repairman who retains old parts and >>>>>> skills. (Fleenor and Krikor don't work on these.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Kirk >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __._,_.___ >>>>> Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New >>>>> Topic >>>>> Messages in this topic (5) >>>>> RECENT ACTIVITY: >>>>> Visit Your Group >>>>> MARKETPLACE >>>>> Find useful articles and helpful tips on living with Fibromyalgia. >>>>> Visit >>>>> the >>>>> Fibromyalgia Zone today! >>>>> >>>>> Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're >>>>> on - >>>>> Get >>>>> the Yahoo! Toolbar now. >>>>> >>>>> Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest ? Unsubscribe ? 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