Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/10/08
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]A dry moat. -------------------- Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ mark at rabinergroup.com > From: "Richard S. Taylor" <r.s.taylor at comcast.net> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 22:56:18 -0400 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Daniel's Comments on a Leica EVIL Camera at LHSA > Wetzlar > > Gee, I missed the moat. Bummer! ;-) > > Regards, > > Dick > > > > On Oct 08, 2010, at 10:35 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote: > >> I also last spring walked the first time walked across the Brooklyn bridge >> and saw joggers in spandex and orthodox Jews wearing the black clothing >> and >> hats they wear. Very few cameras. It was a Monday night and getting dark. >> Credit cart cameras. >> Its impossible to jump off it by the way. There's a moat and you walk on >> the >> center plank. They had to crack down on it I guess. Not that I was >> planning >> on it. >> >> -------------------- >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photography >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> mark at rabinergroup.com >> >> >>> From: "Richard S. Taylor" <r.s.taylor at comcast.net> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 21:38:26 -0400 >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Daniel's Comments on a Leica EVIL Camera at LHSA >>> Wetzlar >>> >>> Me too. When I walked across the Brooklyn Bridge in the Spring, I saw at >>> least a half dozen G-1s and GF-1s in use. The Panasonic exhibit at >>> Photokina >>> was absolutely mobbed, too, and the exhibit seemed to be mostly about >>> micro-4/3rds: still, HD video and 3D video. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Dick >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 08, 2010, at 8:41 PM, slobodan Dimitrov wrote: >>> >>>> I'm surprised in the amount of 4/3 cameras that I see in the hands of >>>> the >>>> average consumer. >>>> S.d. >>>> >>>> On Oct 8, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Richard Taylor wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was also surprised at now many people were sporting Nikons and >>>>> Canons, >>>>> sometimes in addition to Leicas, sometimes not. There were quite a few >>>>> micro-4/3rds cameras, too. >>>>> >>>>> What ever was in use, there were lots of pictures taken this year. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Dick >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 07, 2010, at 1:57 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I participated in an LHSA event in Solms/Wetzlar back in 1998 or 99 or >>>>>> 2000 >>>>>> and was struck by (1) the number of Leicas hanging from people's necks >>>>>> and >>>>>> shoulders, (2) the low frequency of same Leicas being lifted to the >>>>>> eye >>>>>> in >>>>>> order to take a picture. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Nathan >>>>>> >>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>>>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com >>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >>>>>> >>>>>> YNWA >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 12:34 AM, Richard Taylor wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah, well, at 70 I was just a bit over the median age I think. >>>>>>> Lotsa >>>>>>> people took lotsa pictures. I'm just starting to go through them, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> shots from my week in Tokyo before the meeting, now. I'll try to >>>>>>> post >>>>>>> some soon. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dick >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 06, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Getting too old for an LHSA event? No way, Dick! >>>>>>>> Did anyone in the party actually take any pictures? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Nathan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>>>>>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com >>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> YNWA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 6, 2010, at 3:32 PM, Richard Taylor wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Stefan Daniel was asked about the "R Solution" at the LHSA meeting >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> he replied with what I felt was considerable regret that it was >>>>>>>>> economically unfeasible given the current competition in the DSLR >>>>>>>>> market. But, ... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> He went on to talk about the development of a *full-frame* camera >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> an EVF that would be primarily directed at M users but that would >>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>> take R lenses with an adapter. They are also considering >>>>>>>>> development >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> a line of autofocus lenses for this camera. Let's hope they don't >>>>>>>>> snatch defeat from the jaws of victory on this one like they did >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> the X-1. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Another tidbit: Leica, at least for its M lenses, remains >>>>>>>>> committed >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> the development of lenses that are fully corrected optically - no >>>>>>>>> firmware corrections, please. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> By far the most interesting thing at Photokina was the new Fuji >>>>>>>>> X100 >>>>>>>>> that Fuji was showing in mockup only but with an operating >>>>>>>>> viewfinder. >>>>>>>>> The optical finder had projected frame lines and minimal info >>>>>>>>> (shutter >>>>>>>>> speed, f-stop and ISO) so it was nicely uncluttered. A flick of a >>>>>>>>> switch >>>>>>>>> converts the finder to an EVF. It uses an APS-C sensor and I saw >>>>>>>>> nothing to make me think the frame lines were parallax corrected. >>>>>>>>> Cool, >>>>>>>>> nevertheless! It's about the size of a GF-1. It looks like an >>>>>>>>> interesting camera and I look forward to seeing some images from >>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Wetzlar meeting was a lot of fun, but having signed up for >>>>>>>>> *all* >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> tours I ended the week walked out and considerably tired. Maybe >>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>> just getting too old for this kind of stuff. :-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dick >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 06, 2010, at 5:35 AM, Richard Man wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ah, so it's not even "may be we will look at it in 2 years, but >>>>>>>>>> NEVER" >>>>>>>>>> :-( >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (well not that I use the R systems, but seeing stuff from Doug and >>>>>>>>>> George, >>>>>>>>>> clearly there is something there there) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:15 AM, Douglas Sharp <douglas.sharp at >>>>>>>>>> gmx.de> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I quote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> R-SYSTEM >>>>>>>>>>> A digital solution in the form of a R10 was not presentable. >>>>>>>>>>> Such an >>>>>>>>>>> investment would have been to great for Leica. The development of >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> S-System cost ?30m. A similar effort for a digital R was not >>>>>>>>>>> fundable. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Not presentable (nicht darstellbar) should be "not feasible" - >>>>>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>> expression often used by engineers - so what was actually meant >>>>>>>>>>> above >>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "we took a look at the idea and shelved it 'cos we couldn't >>>>>>>>>>> afford >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> in a >>>>>>>>>>> month of Sundays, and it wouldn't be profitable even if we could" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>> Douglas >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 06.10.2010 06:00, Geoff Hopkinson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely understandable disappointment for R lens owners of >>>>>>>>>>>> course. >>>>>>>>>>>> However the expectaiton for a 'solution' this Photokina came >>>>>>>>>>>> entirely >>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>> speculation and desire rather than specific promise. All largely >>>>>>>>>>>> unremarked >>>>>>>>>>>> here but there has been an awful lot of anguish and emotional >>>>>>>>>>>> outpouring, >>>>>>>>>>>> dummy spitting, rants and stompimg out of the room in the >>>>>>>>>>>> (dedicated) >>>>>>>>>>>> L >>>>>>>>>>>> Camera Forum. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan Daniel told us in mid 2009 that they were working on the >>>>>>>>>>>> 'suitable >>>>>>>>>>>> solution' but not to expect it before this Photokina etc. That >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> course >>>>>>>>>>>> has now slipped further but at least they have provided some >>>>>>>>>>>> slightly >>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>> specific information on the possible form that it may take (in >>>>>>>>>>>> general >>>>>>>>>>>> terms). I think that Leica Camera have learnt a lesson there and >>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>> less >>>>>>>>>>>> likely to provide any specific models and developments that are >>>>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>>>> planned >>>>>>>>>>>> or not. >>>>>>>>>>>> According to an attendee at the LHSA meeting in Wtezlar Leica >>>>>>>>>>>> management >>>>>>>>>>>> have now excluded the possible solution prior to photokina 2012. >>>>>>>>>>>> Personally I am still stunned tht the S2 development costs were >>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>> 30 >>>>>>>>>>>> million EURO and I note their comment that other medium format >>>>>>>>>>>> camera >>>>>>>>>>>> manufacturers occupied something like 50% less floor space at >>>>>>>>>>>> pk. >>>>>>>>>>>> Not >>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> reassuring indicator for the genre, if unsurprising. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>>> Geoff >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6 October 2010 13:33, Jayanand Govindaraj<jayanand at >>>>>>>>>>>> gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Looks like they are working overtime to 'repair their finances' >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>> being. Can't blame them for that, it is a pragmatic business >>>>>>>>>>>> decision. >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>>> Jayanand >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 4:08 AM, Geoff >>>>>>>>>>>> Hopkinson<hopsternew at gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Andy Barton, a MOD on the L Camera Forum has posted a summary of >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> responses >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> from Leica Camera Executives to a number of questions on Leica >>>>>>>>>>>> products >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> policy. >>>>>>>>>>>> You can read it here, even if not a meber of that forum >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/144758-lei>>>>>>>>>>>> c >>>>>>>>>>>> a-luf-%40-pkina-english.html >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>>>> Geoff >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> // richard <http://www.imagecraft.com/> >>>>>>>>>> // icc blog: <http://imagecraft.wordpress.com> >>>>>>>>>> // photo blog: <http://www.5pmlight.com> >>>>>>>>>> [ For technical support on ImageCraft products, please include all >>>>>>>>>> previous >>>>>>>>>> replies in your msgs. ] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information