Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/08/07
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]This comparison with results from the M9 to the x1 is very tricky. It seems we are comparing the results of what we get from camera without a low pas filter vs. one we get that has a lowpass filter. It almost seems as if Erwin is implying the pitch of 5.5 of the X1 would be an advantage over the 6.8 PP of the M9. This most think of on the long run is a disadvantage not an advantage. A raw "developer" in this case a relatively unknown one ads a je ne sais pas random flavor to the soup. It can get hard to make digital direct comparisons. One almost wishes we were looking at direct jpegs. Regardless of camera body size we are comparing a 1.5x crop against a 1x crop. The 1x crop format camera is going to be on the long run immeasurably more useful. -------------------- Mark William Rabiner Photography mark at rabinergroup.com > From: Rei Shinozuka <shino at panix.com> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 13:21:23 -0400 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Compact Cameras > > Thanks for the reference, I haven't read Puts in a while. The Puts X1 > review is available here: > > http://www.imx.nl/photo/leica/camera/page172/x1.html > > While Puts has concerns about the X1 operating characteristics, he is > pretty effusive about its final image quality: > > "Whatever the fine points, the X1 must be given very high marks for > delivering images on the same level as the M9. Leica users who reflect > on buying the X1 as an easy to use compact camera will get Leica like > imagery." > > "The 24mm lens in the X1 is remarkably free from ghosting and veiling > glare. In fact again it is often better than the M lenses on their bodies." > > On the downside: "The quality of the imagery drops when you use higher > ISO values... I would think that ISO 800 is the practical limit, but > you can tweak the results at higher ISO values with appropriate > processing. " > > I'd love to try an X1 for a spin. > > -rei > > > On 08/07/2010 01:24 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote: >> Except that every review I have read of the X1 states that the camera is >> so >> slow that it borders on useless for street photography. For example, >> quoting >> from Erwin's review: >> >> "In standard operational mode (AF with the display active) the shutter >> release delay is quite long and the release moment not well defined." and >> a >> few lines down, after discussing some ways in which the camera can be made >> faster, still: >> >> "It is no match for the instant response of the M-series (film loading and >> sensor based), and a certain expertise in anticipation is most welcome to >> get >> exactly the shot you want. >> The more features you activate, the slower the response of the camera >> becomes." >> >> Nathan >> >> Nathan Wajsman >> Alicante, Spain >> http://www.frozenlight.eu >> http://www.greatpix.eu >> http://www.nathanfoto.com >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >> >> YNWA >> >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 7, 2010, at 5:46 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote: >> >> >>> A fixed mount in the sense that the lens does not come off I'm sure you >>> mean. >>> This compact fixed mount camera configuration though comes from a worthy >>> line of in the past of cameras. >>> The Contax T >>> Rollei 35 >>> Leica CM >>> Konica Hexar AF >>> Olympus XA >>> Minox GT >>> >>> HCB used one the last time he did some photography. >>> >>> At the bottom of the camera bags or in the pocket of many a photographer >>> in >>> the 80's and 90's. >>> >>> Small camera. Big pictures. >>> >>> >>> Rabs >>> >>> -------------------- >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> Photography >>> mark at rabinergroup.com >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: Jim Nichols<jhnichols at lighttube.net> >>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group<lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 22:18:17 -0500 >>>> To: Leica Users Group<lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Compact Cameras >>>> >>>> If it truly had a screw mount, it might be worth the money. As I >>>> recall, >>>> it >>>> is all about fixed mount with automation. >>>> >>>> Jim Nichols >>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information