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Subject: [Leica] Wartime experiences
From: alal at poly.edu (A. Lal)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 18:56:20 -0400
References: <g2k6a7544a61004010849zf75dcf5fj46f102a6678b4b80@mail.gmail.com><C1400E5A-2262-46AA-A200-05BFB52321D1@frozenlight.eu><84F677DE-3142-4817-BB01-263F12AF9539@charter.net><FEC20BB5829A45DAAD20A368FEAE300F@qck8vqhgou8blu> <29F65CD7-440A-45C0-BDC0-A0AE3C47FB13@charter.net>

Well, since this topic arose here it would be interesting to see the 
response here too. However, if you prefer the forum that is fine with me.

See you there.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "slobodan Dimitrov" <s.dimitrov at charter.net>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Wartime experiences


> Sure, though out of deference to the Salon Keeper, it should be done in 
> the Forum.
> S.d.
>
>
> On Apr 2, 2010, at 3:22 PM, A. Lal wrote:
>
>> Questions below
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "slobodan Dimitrov" 
>> <s.dimitrov at charter.net>
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Wartime experiences
>>
>>
>>> I stand on the opposite side of this issue, and not too far from the 
>>> Sony radio reaction, when it comes to Germany.
>>> I still see the focus on individuals and organizations as a form of 
>>> alibi.
>>> Sometime ago, I called attention to the role of Central European 
>>> entities to some of the current adventurism >and bogus rehabilitations.
>>
>> Slobodan, would you mind elaboration on these points for those of us not 
>> familiar with "focus on individuals and organizations as a form of alibi" 
>> and "current adventurism and bogus rehabilitations."?
>>
>>> I was publicly attacked by a semi official arm of the German government 
>>> as a hateful person based on my >ethnicity.
>>> Mind you, I never identified myself as anything other than an American 
>>> veteran. After I did some
>>> cursory research, I found out that the writer was from the German 
>>> embassy in Mexico CIty, one of their >largest missions in the world.
>>> You figure out why!
>>
>> Sorry to say I am clueless. Details please.
>>
>>> I went to the Jewish Federation, here in LA, for advice
>> >on a response. They got a chuckle out of it, as did I, and told me it 
>> >would be pointless to get into a spitting >contest with them. So I left 
>> >enough alone. But it was a reminder that the Balkan Spiel in still in 
>> >play at >Berlin, well in to the late 20th century, and into this one.
>>> S.d.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 1, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:
>>>
>>>> This hits very close to home. My father lost most of his extended 
>>>> family during the Holocaust and spent the years 1943-45 killing as many 
>>>> German soldiers as possible. His war ended on VE-Day in Bernau, 35 km 
>>>> from Berlin.
>>>>
>>>> Yet, he never advocated collective guilt. His first wife was German. We 
>>>> visited Germany frequently during my childhood and adolescence, and 
>>>> today I am very comfortable there. The Germany of today has nothing to 
>>>> do with the Germany of the 1930s.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to pick on a country, pick on Japan whose leaders still 
>>>> feel obliged to make annual visits to a shrine which commemorates war 
>>>> criminals.
>>>>
>>>> Nathan
>>>>
>>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>>> Alicante, Spain
>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>>>
>>>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 1, 2010, at 5:49 PM, Lawrence Zeitlin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Frank writes:
>>>>> "My cousin bought a little Sony portable radio in the 60s with the 
>>>>> money
>>>>> earned on his paper round. My uncle smashed it to tiny pieces using 
>>>>> his
>>>>> hammer, and gave him the money..."
>>>>> - - - - -
>>>>> I am a Korean War vet and I absolutely refuse to buy anything made in 
>>>>> North
>>>>> Korea. Not that I have had much opportunity to buy North Korean goods. 
>>>>> South
>>>>> Korea is OK. My parents, who lost relatives in the holocaust were 
>>>>> appalled
>>>>> that I bought a German made Leica until I told them about the Leitz 
>>>>> "Freedom
>>>>> Train." However I still feel uneasy about visiting Germany. Emotional 
>>>>> scars
>>>>> last a long time.
>>>>> Larry Z
>>>>>
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Replies: Reply from s.dimitrov at charter.net (slobodan Dimitrov) ([Leica] Wartime experiences)
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Message from alal at poly.edu (A. Lal) ([Leica] Wartime experiences)
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