[Leica] Zeiss Wide Angle 35mm f/2 Biogon T* ZM

[grduprey at mchsi.com (grduprey at mchsi.com)]

Wendy,

Only to those who want it to be.  While I'm not a fan of the ZM offerings, I 
did look at them due to their cost, but rejected them due to build.  On the 
other hand Leica has their Summarit line which are much lower in cost, just 
a bit more than the ZM offerings, and a max aperture of 2.5, and actually 
Leica designs, made by Leica in Germany.  And performance and build are up 
to Leica specs.  You may want to take a look at them as an alternative to 
the more expensive Summicrons, and Summilux's.  Several LUG members have 
them and like them.

Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wendy Thurman" <thurmanphoto at gmail.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 2:01:01 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Leica] Zeiss Wide Angle 35mm f/2 Biogon T* ZM

I didn't realize this was such a controversial subject!

Wendy

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:01 PM, K Landdeck <bamboozld at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> I have been on list for quite a while (though I don't post often as I'm
> quite busy writing my dissertation), so no welcome necessary, but I will 
> say
> that attitudes such as yours are why I have almost unsubbed from this list
> multiple times in the past year: thank you so much for your condescending
> attitude ("warp dimension"??).
>
> My post was full of "Zeiss this and Zeiss that" because that's what Wendy
> asked for.  Unlike your post (which is based on a second-hand assessment of
> production facilities, outright speculation and comparison with equipment
> made decades ago), I actually have used the Biogon lens extensively and 
> have
> used my Leica Summicron 35 ASPH extensively as well (though I haven't had 
> it
> as long as the Biogon).  I am speaking from experience on both sides and
> make direct comparisons based on that experience of use, looking at the
> RESULTS I have gotten from both lenses.  And, you will note (or would if 
> you
> actually read my post fully) that I acknowledged both positives and
> negatives of the Biogon.
>
> You are welcome to your opinions that are based on price-prejudice and
> absolutely no experience with the specific items in question -- I prefer to
> actually have experience with something before I pipe in and when I do so 
> it
> will be my honest and balanced opinion (to the best of my abilities). :-)
>
> All Best,
>
> Kevin
>
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>
>  Welcome to the LUG Kevin, the ZM Biogon 35 a very nice lens made by
>> the very nice largest lens company in the world located in Japan.
>> Its a ZM lens we refer to on the LUG.
>> It cost a thousand dollars.
>> A Summicron cost three thousand dollars.
>> You want to compare them straight across you think that's wise?
>> The ZM lenses are made in the same faculty that twenty other major
>> brand named lenes are made. Within viewing distance of each other.
>> Your post is full of Zeiss lenses are this and  Zeiss lenses  are
>> that. A Zeiss lens cost three thousand or more dollars and are made
>> in Germany with high tolerances amazingly high quality control and
>> expensive choice glass types. For a hundred years.
>> I own a half dozen for my Hasselblad system.
>> The feel, look and quality has no resemblance at all to the nifty
>> cheep stuff Cosina makes for them in Japan - with the Zeiss name on
>> it. You want to call them a Zeiss lens you're fooling nobody but
>> yourself. In another time warp dimension can you compare something
>> straight across which cost a three times difference. Is made to way
>> less tolerances. Well less quality glasses. Designed for an entirely
>> different market. You want to save money?
>> Get a CV or ZM lens for your Leica.
>> You want a "world glass optic" you have to pay some real Leica money
>> for it.
>>
>>
>>
>> [Rabs]
>> Mark William Rabiner
>>
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